[yawpitch]

Assuming that prisons should be segregated by something like sex is shunting the problem off on women.

Even assuming your binary exists — it doesn’t — a heterosexual cisgender woman is, obviously, under no additional risk being housed with a heterosexual transgender woman… it’s not the genitals that are the problem, it’s whom do you intend to deploy those genitals on.

[nh23423fefe]

I thought sexuality was fluid?

[yawpitch]

Not mine, solid as a rock.

That laugh aside, I’m not sure you made your point; once more, the heterosexual cisgender woman is in less danger from a heterosexual transgender woman than she is from another otherwise cisgender woman who will aggressively pursue any port in a storm.

[gaganyaan]

That's plainly false. Incarcerated women have already been raped, beaten, and impregnated by men in women's prisons. Men, including transgender women, are bigger and stronger than women and will use that to their advantage.

[nh23423fefe]

oh. once more

[gaganyaan]

A heterosexual transgender woman intends to deploy those genitals on women. That makes it a problem for uninvolved women that shouldn't have to worry about men in women's spaces.

If you want to argue for not segregating prisons by sex, then you should just state that. If that ever happens you'll quickly find out how terrible of an idea it is.

[locopati]

a heterosexual trans woman is interested in men. trans women are not men. fuck right off with your ignorant bigotry.

[gaganyaan]

Trans women are men that suffer from an unfortunate condition. We need to accept this. Trying to gaslight people into denying basic reality created a backlash that was partially responsible for giving us Trump.

[locopati]

I am not a man. I am a trans woman. I don't suffer from an unfortunate condition, unless that condition is ignorant people like yourself who cannot handle the complexity of how people can be different.

Blaming us for the backlash is the same abusive thinking as "i wouldn't hit you if you'd just do what i want." Trans people are just the easiest target. If it wasn't us, it'd have been someone else.

[gaganyaan]

Sorry, but this is exactly what I'm talking about. Trans women are a subset of men. Taking cross-sex hormones and getting surgery won't actually change your sex. It's the best we can do for now until we figure out how to fix the brain-body mismatch.

Denying simple biological reality will get us more fascism. It's not the entire reason, but it's easy to whip people up about trans issues when you literally have men beating up women in sports. Your average person will never accept that, and that's something you just need to accept because you can't change it.

Note that I said "partially responsible". The fundamental reason is that the DNC doesn't give a shit about the working class and rejects actual leftist ideals, but trying to push unpopular social issues on top of that just killed their chances.

Some day, we'll arrive at a happy medium of "trans women are not women but that's fine and let them live their lives in peace".

[locopati]

I am not a subset of men and thinking in binaries isn't going to help you here. Even sex is not a binary when you consider that chromosomes beyond XX/XY exist and that the expression of chromosomes does not necessarily result in a genital configuration you might expect (not to mention the wide variety of configurations within the binary).

Calling it "biological reality" is a massive oversimplification of biology that is used to stir unease towards trans people. Trans people are not beating up [cis] women in sports. This is another story to stir up fear and hatred, and you're just repeating it thoughtlessly.

Most of what you're seeing politically is defending a vulnerable group from unwarranted attacks by a powerful political party backed by moneyed interests sowing division as a distraction from the real problems. If the right weren't so focused on taking away trans people's rights to bodily autonomy and existence, you wouldn't be hearing about us so much.

I am going to repeat some of what I replied to someone else...

Birth sex is not useful when talking about trans people, who may be on hormone replacement therapy or have had gender affirming surgeries. To fixate on that is to deny the reality that trans people don't necessarily fit into the gender binary (and at the same time many do). Our systems are structured by gender binaries and so accommodations need to be made for those who don't fit perfectly (which also helps cis women who do not present as traditionally feminine).

The notion that trans women are inherently dangerous to cis women, which is the conclusion you seem to be arriving at because you are thinking of trans women as men, is a false notion.

Cis men are the greatest danger to cis women. If the amount of attention being placed on trans women were instead being placed on that fact, maybe cis women would actually be safer.

Trans people exist and always have. Right now we are being demonized because we are an easy target. And when folks like you buy into that, you are doing the demonizing work for the people who are controlling through division. Trans people are not a problem to be solved. We're just fighting to keep our rights from being taken away.