[ipsi]

That matches my experience, in an admittedly slightly older car. Note that you'll rarely be charging over 80% because it's just too slow, and going under 5-10% is a bit too stressful, so practical range is probably 70-75% of maximum on longer trips. Less if it's winter and/or the AC is running.

If I could rely on every Rasthof having multiple functional EV chargers, I think range anxiety would be far, far less of an issue for me, but as of now it's something that I do think about for longer trips, and do have to plan for.

[Svoka]

why not charge it to 100% for a long trip? It literally says to do so.

[mikeyouse]

Of course you start the trip off at 100%, but the point is that charging speed varies substantially based on the SoC in the battery. So if you deplete most of your charge and need to stop, recharging to 80% takes substantially less time than topping it off to 100%. So if your battery range is 300 miles, you might get 280 on the first leg of your trip but will only be able to do maybe 220 on the second leg.

[freeopinion]

I have a PHEV specifically so I can take an occasional 500-600 mile trip without range anxiety. With the ICE, I can almost do the trip without a pit stop. But I make a stop. So it seems that ICE or EV both have to make one stop for a 500 mile journey. Of course, the ICE could make a 1000 mile journey with two stops where your EV would need three. But I make a 1000 mile journey in a single day less than once a year. So 10 extra pit stops in 10 years doesn't seem like a bad trade-off for the 4 or 5 fill-ups I skip every month.

[Gareth321]

> Of course, the ICE could make a 1000 mile journey with two stops where your EV would need three.

It sadly doesn't work like that. Range is reduced by about 25% in the cold. Further, one doesn't charge 0-100% at stations. They charge 10-80%. This is suggested by Tesla because the last 20% takes longer than the first 70%. So the effective range on a new standard range Tesla Model Y is 455 * 0.75 * 0.7 = 239km between stops. Assuming Tesla's 455km initial estimate is accurate, and it's not really. It tends to overestimate, so in reality, it's less than 239km. Especially at highway speeds.

A 1,000 mile journey would require approximately 7-8 stops, depending on charge at journey start and end.

[Svoka]

Answered different thread - superchargers get from 5-10% to 95-100% in line 30 minutes. When we are on roadtrips I often have to go and unplug it so I don't get extra charges for idle. I know superchargers are not everywhere.

[michpoch]

> Of course you start the trip off at 100%

Thats… not obvious at all. Unless you’re within the super small part of society that can charge at home, you might be as well starting with 20 or 30% - exactly the same as with a regular car.

[dalyons]

Maybe in Germany that’s “super small”, in the US ~70% of the population lives in sfh where that can be assumed.

[michpoch]

Right, but that’s just a single, very un-typical country. Most people in developed countries live in cities. If you live in a city - you live in an apartment (unless you’re quite wealthy)z

I expect that most people living in NYC do not have a single family house with a garage and a garden.

[arghwhat]

It is not at all an un-typical country. It might even be the case for the majority of the US, most of which live outside New York City.

Plus, cities in countries over on this side of the pond provide street charging and even have legislation about maximum distance to a charger. Parking garages and lots also provide charging. Not as convenient as living in a house with a charger where you can always plug in at night (and possibly use private solar cells for extra benefit), but good enough for most commuting.

[michpoch]

Because you’ll spend ages at the charging station?

[Svoka]

I had a road trip, and pretty much all the time I got 95-100% charge while having lunch with supercharges, which are everywhere. It takes 30 minutes to do it.

[michpoch]

So how many 30 minutes lunches are you having? One every 2 hours?

> supercharges, which are everywhere

Not really? That's the whole point, that the availability of fast chargers is still very low.

[Svoka]

Every 3-4 hours I stop for a 30 minute meal. Ye, sounds reasonable.