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by otterley 483 days ago
> Our goal is to enable Ops teams to build catalogs of solid building blocks that developers can build into novel architectures and safely own and operate. The collaboration between Ops and Dev is delegated to software and eases this friction.

What you’re describing is the Holy Grail of being able to simplify a complex system without sacrificing functionality, security, performance, cost optimization, observability, etc. This dream has been around a very long time. People keep attempting to solve the problem (because, well, there is potentially money in it) and they’ve all failed in the long run (although some vendors got wealthy until the customers saw the light). cfengine yielded to Chef/Puppet/Ansible; Terraform is a mess; VMWare is the walking dead; and K8S will probably see a similar fate once people burn out on it.

The problem is the age-old one of leaky abstractions and jammed-up controls. Sure, an abstracted database component might be adequate for a simple workload, but as soon as the component reaches the limits of the abstraction, you’re stuck. You can’t get your hands dirty and solve the problem. And if you can, you might as well throw the abstraction out and configure the component natively.

On top of that, you cannot effectively abstract the observability of complex workload components. These are often highly specialized pieces of software for which the metrics are not only different, but the values of which have different meanings.

Anyway, if you figure out how to crack this nut, I applaud you. But it’s been tried before, many ways. I’m not optimistic.

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What can I say, we are dreamers who have suffered as both Ops and Dev.

I think the way we approach abstraction is fairly different from other Ops tools on the market. We are product engineers first. We are trying to pull in a lot of what makes product engineering work to the ops side. Our guidance on abstraction is very usecase driven. Instead of having an S3 module, you have a public website bucket, a landing zone bucket, and a CDN bucket. This prevents the module from outgrowing its usefulness.

If it is possible to crack this nut, we will need people like you to give us the guidance to do it. We should jump on a call, no sales. I can walk you through the platform and you can tell us why we are crazy for trying!