[Herring]

It’s super easy to coach an employee about this. I’ve done it many times, even once publicly to a director while I was a senior. Just acknowledge their train of thought extra generously, then explain why this case is different. ChatGPT has been trained to do this. I’d say your paragraph 2 was great, and yes the manager should have tried talking about “level of precision” or “marketing relevance” instead of defaulting forcefully to “because i/product said so”.

[kcplate]

Yeah I agree that the manager seemed to leap pretty quick onto the “you don’t get to have independent thought in secret” train. Of course we only see one side of the story too. But it kind of feels to me like this might not have been the first time there has been a need to coach this person either. Not sure that just one instance really gets you to lack of trust.

I’ve been in the business a long time in multiple roles up to senior leadership. I am at the sunset of my career and found a lovely tech role where I happily don’t have to manage anyone but myself and it’s glorious. In all that time I have encountered my fair share of the Jerry types in the last almost 40 years so I am probably jaded and know the frustration.

[Herring]

Yeah and maybe the employee has been asked to implement dark patterns before. Such is modern capitalism.

[kcplate]

I’d suggest that if the general populace that use your app sort of see “Caribbean”, “Islands”, “Bermuda” to a degree of equivalence to the general area that they are considering for vacation, it’s probably not a dark pattern.

[Herring]

Ethics is like wearing a condom. If someone tries to tell you that you don't need to worry about it (after defaulting to force!), then you *really* need to worry about it.

Edit: Sure enough, look at your comments. Elon, Tesla, Musk, Trump, Trump. Hilarious + predictable.

[kcplate]

So you are comment history mining on me? Wow…that is some creepy as fuck behavior.