[mytailorisrich]

Or limit immigration to reduce demand...

In some European countries population growth is only due to immigration. In Spain almost 19% of the population is foreign-born and annual population growth is >1%!

It's quite odd that everyone is concerned about the "housing crisis" but few people want to mention the biggest root cause, even here which is supposed to be about curiosity...

[willsmith72]

> in some European countries population growth is only due to immigration

You mean like the USA? Or just about every developed nation on the planet?

[WillPostForFood]

Yes, and? Just about every developed nation is having a housing problem.

[visarga]

Housing problem comes from the job market. Cities with good jobs will attract people and the price of renting/buying will go as high as they can bear. Most of the benefit will go to landlords. Moving to a better job market will make you little benefit because your increased pay will be largely swallowed by the cost of housing.

The problem is that employers want their employees physically present at the office, and roads can only carry them so fast, so being closer to job opportunities will reflect on the housing cost. Maybe the solution would be to make workplaces more widespread, improve transportation to expand commute reach under 30-60 minutes, or support more remote work.

[thfuran]

They're also mostly having low population growth compared to times when they weren't having a housing problem.

[mytailorisrich]

That's variable by country, and slums are no longer acceptable.

The point remains that claiming that everything is down to "not building enough" misses half the equation.

In any case, what is the rationale for building more only to be able to accommodate more immigrants? (Because that's the situation)

[willsmith72]

because if you took the US without immigrants with its 1.6 birth rate, the economy would collapse

[mytailorisrich]

That's kicking the can down the road as population cannot grow forever.

In Europe massive immigration is destroying local cultures for the sake of short term economic gains...

[ajmurmann]

With the low birth rates in many countries the housing problem could be solved once and for all...

[mytailorisrich]

Population can't grow for ever. We'll need to learn to live with a constant population (and even decreasing for some time) at some point in any case...

European governments do not want to face this reality and prefer to try to convince people that immigration is good (polls show that the people increasingly disagree).

[ajmurmann]

Why not? Earth doesn't look anything like Coruscant yet and we've barely settled a single planet

[rayiner]

Housing prices were lower in the past when birth rates were higher.

[ajmurmann]

Of course. I was hoping it was clear my response was facetious.

[cyberax]

Nope. "Urbanist advocates" can create real estate bubbles even with a shrinking population.

Case in point: Tokyo. You just need to make sure you _have_ to live in The City, and that there are no other options for you. And a shrinking population makes that _easier_.