[slg]

It is funny how Tesla fans' and critics' philosophy on which definitions to use depends entirely on the topic being discussed.

For the Tesla fan, the colloquial definition of "recall" is what we should go by because the car doesn't actually have to return anywhere. Meanwhile, when it comes to "autopilot", they want us to use the technical definition of a system that is not entirely autonomous to the point that a pilot isn't needed.

Tesla critics on the other hand will reverse those two, claiming it is the technical definition of "recall" and the colloquial definition of "autopilot" that matter the most.

[alistairSH]

Except recall has a specific regulatory definition in the US. Whether or not a physical recall is required is completely irrelevant to something being labelled a recall. A recall is simply a defect that has a safety impact and the manufacture is required to notify owners and provide a fix. Problems that can be resolved via OTA updates can still qualify as recalls.

Autopilot has no such formal definition (at least not in the context of cars). Musk/Tesla have continually over-sold what their various iterations of autopilot (Autopilot, FSD, etc) can do AND also fall back to "it's an autopilot just like a boat or plane" which completely ignores that boats or planes aren't typically operated on busy highways by untrained pilots.

[slg]

Yes, this is a perfect example of what I'm talking about.

A Tesla fan could also give you an equally logical explanation about how the "regulatory definition" of "recall" is outdated because it is from an era in which all recalls were physical or that the general public's misconceptions about autopilots for boats and planes are not Tesla's fault.

My point was not that either side of these debates is right or wrong. It is that people are transparently starting with a conclusion and working backwards to justify it rather than having any consistent principle underlying their belief on this issue. It is pointless to debate whether definitions are or are not important when the actual issue being debated here is whether Tesla is good or bad.

[alistairSH]

Sure, the term might be outdated. But from my perspective, it's almost exclusively Tesla apologists playing weasel words...

"Autopilot doesn't mean what we promised; only what wikipedia says. GOTCHA!"

"Recall should only apply to physical fixes THIS IS SOFTWARE. GOTCHA!"

You mentioned "both side" in your first post and I really don't see it.

[slg]

It is funny that I ended my last comment with the following: "It is pointless to debate whether definitions are or are not important when the actual issue being debated here is whether Tesla is good or bad." and you're seemingly still trying to engage me in a debate on the definitions of these words. Just say you don't like Tesla and move on.