[nobankai]

FWIW people always put too much trust in E2EE where they didn't control either end. This was a loooong time coming.

[lokar]

It’s not really end to end in that sense. They don’t get the key, they just store opaque data for you.

The only way apple could get your data is to push code to your device to steal the key.

[ferbivore]

I think their point was that you don't control your device. If Apple did push code to your device to steal the key, how would you be able to tell?

[dmix]

People aren't going to use your self-hosted E2E tools on a wide scale. We've been down that road. Best to secure the systems people already use.