[superkuh]

Another way of saying this is, "Riot.im/Element.io corporation has taken over the reference protocol development from the matrix foundation (now defunct in that aspect, *1) . Now that matrix is controlled by Element.io corporation the remaining Matrix foundation does not have the resources to continue bridges. And Element.io decided that early bridges to bootstrap/steal users from other messenging networks are no longer needed and so will not help the matrix foundation with them or spend any resources to maintain them themselves."

ref 1: https://matrix.org/blog/2023/11/06/future-of-synapse-dendrit... , https://element.io/blog/element-to-adopt-agplv3/

[bluesomewhere]

This couldn't be further from the truth. The Matrix.org Foundation is expanding open governance, with a Governing Board that has representatives from all across the ecosystem: https://matrix.org/blog/2024/06/election-results/

And the protocol remains under the auspices of the Foundation, maintained by the volunteer Spec Core Team.

Element may be where Matrix was incubated, but it spun up the Foundation as a nonprofit and assigned the copyrights and governance of the protocol to that nonprofit. People can fearmonger all they want, but to Element's credit they've done a whole helluva lot more to preserve the integrity of open source – unlike Elastic, Redis, MongoDB, and dozens of other companies.

[superkuh]

Further from the truth? It is an established fact that Element.io corporation has now re-taken over development of the matrix protocol reference implementations. I provided easy reference links to verify this. And matrix 2.0 and all it's new features and architecture are defined by the corporation's choices alone. The matrix foundation does not do this anymore.

What part of this do you claim is false? Your link does not make any such claims re: code. It is all about the composition in people of the matrix foundation. Unfortunately the health, vigor, and composition of the matrix foundation is irrelevant to the aforementioned code and protocol now. I'm not denying that some of them still contribute code, but it's all Element.io's choice now to include it or not. Without control of the reference implementation statements like, "Members of the Spec Core Team pledge to act as a neutral custodian for Matrix on behalf of the whole ecosystem and uphold the Guiding Principles of the project" ring hollow. Eventually a for-profit corporation is going to act like a for profit-corporation.

[dartos]

It seems that neither user interest nor commercial interests are enough to keep protocol development going.

It’s kind of sad.

[mattl]

I've found Matrix (clients, I guess) really hard to use... but I'm in IRC channels where lots of people are using Matrix. What are people using?

[bluesomewhere]

Might be worth revisiting, we've seen great improvement in the last year :) I use Element X as my mobile daily driver, and use Element Web on my laptops. Feel free to ping me if you have any questions!

(meta: I need to create a new account here... but engaging here with this one since it'd be suspicious to have a new account with zero karma weighing in.)

[mattl]

Hey Robin!

Element Web is I believe what I’ve used in the past and didn’t enjoy. I like the UI of Slack but not the UI of Discord.

I’ll give it another look. I asked on Mastodon for any native apps for desktop people are aware of. I’ll see if that yields anything.

[dartos]

Using matrix isn’t enough to support the foundation, sadly.

[mattl]

Sure. I can’t be the only person who doesn’t fully understand the Matrix ecosystem.

[daef]

iamb [1] tickles my vim fetish :)

[1] https://iamb.chat/

edit: added link