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by idontwantthis 487 days ago
Remember when they rolled a car down hill because it couldn’t even drive?
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I have no idea how they managed to survive for years after that. The CEO was found guilty of fraud, and it didn't seem like they had any actual product.
It's the natural extension of the startup ideology to non-software industries. How many times on this website have you seen 'founders' be celebrated for doing 'epic demo hacks' at least this fraudulent? How many tech startups achieve massive valuations with a broken product and a totally hypothetical pathway to profitability?

It's easy to see through this showmanship when the product is a car. So why not when the product is software?

Can't speak for anyone else, but I have an issue when it's software too [1].

I think the reason that it's more prevalent with software is that it's easier to hand-wave away stuff, because you can say "well we're creating the market for this field". I don't fall for that stuff anymore, but I did when I was first starting in this field.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41723417

Can you point me to one single example of "a founder being celebrated on this website for 'epic demo hacks' that are fraudulent"?

Genuinely asking.

Be sure that the fraud is obvious at the time of the post (and not in retrospect), is actively celebrated at the time.

You mean anyone that uses growth hacks? There have been many growth hack posts here. Pretty much every single start up has used some to attract investors.
> Can you point me to one single example of "a founder being celebrated on this website for 'epic demo hacks' that are fraudulent"?

Something, something [..] bulletproof Cybertruck [..]

Financial momentum.

You have a bunch of people who consider themselves "the smart money" who have been had, and if they pull out, that's an acknowledgment that perhaps they're not that smart.

I couldn't believe people kept pumping this company like it had real promise after that came out.
That was a classic. They should have pivoted to comedy.
Imagine if someone had said this about Tesla. They would have been swamped if wall of text responses. At least Nikola delivered what they promised.
They decidedly did not deliver what they promised. Their hydrogen truck did not work, which is why their promo video had to tow a truck up a hill and film it rolling down.
At least funnily the video delivered its promise as it was titled “Nikola One in Motion”
Technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.
What did they deliver that they promised?
> At least Nikola delivered what they promised.

Ah yes. The Nikola Gravity Drive™ has been a roaring success and is now powering millions of trucks worldwide. This bankruptcy is merely a blip in their continuing success.

Imagine if Tesla copied another automaker's name then created a demo of their car rolling down a hill.
Trevor, is that you?
How do you even make an electric car that can't drive? Electric drivetrains are way, way simpler than ICE ones...
Reality has a surprising amount of detail: http://johnsalvatier.org/blog/2017/reality-has-a-surprising-...

I have no doubt it's entirely possible to make an electric truck, but you still have to spend a year in the trenches actually doing it and solving all the little design problems before you have something to show off.

Especially if you weren't previously making ICE trucks. Then you have to learn how to make a truck from scratch, instead of just the new electric parts. You can of course buy an ICE truck and convert it for your prototype, which I think is what Edison Motors did, but then you'll be showing off a rusty old truck that won't get any venture capital or journalist attention because it's nowhere near shiny enough.

No they aren't. We've been making ICE vehicles for 100 years. The drivetrains are well understood and don't present any technical hurdles. Especially in trucks. EV heavy trucks are still pretty uncharted territory.
There were literally electric cars 140 years ago. Getting enough energy density in a battery is a definite technological problem that's difficult, but making a car move with an electric motor isn't.
> How do you even make an electric car that can't drive?

The "pusher" truck was not supposed to be EV. It was supposed to be a Hydrogen truck. In reality it was neither.