[kvakerok]

You haven't seen the worst of it. We had to implement a whole kafka module for a SCADA system because Target already had unrelated kafka infrastructure. Instead of REST API or anything else sane (which was available), ultra low volume messaging is now done by JSON objects wrapped in kafka. Peak incompetence.

[Joel_Mckay]

We did something similar using RabbitMQ with bson over AMQP, and static message routing. Anecdotally, the design has been very reliable for over 6 years with very little maintenance on that part of the system, handles high-latency connection outage reconciliation, and new instances are cycled into service all the time.

Mostly people that ruminate on naive choices like REST/HTTP2/MQTT will have zero clue how the problems of multiple distributed telemetry sources scale. These kids are generally at another firm by the time their designs hit the service capacity of a few hundred concurrent streams per node, and their fragile reverse-proxy load-balancer CISCO rhetoric starts to catch fire.

Note, I've seen AMQP nodes hit well over 14000 concurrent users per IP without issue, as RabbitMQ/OTP acts like a traffic shock-absorber at the cost of latency. Some engineers get pissy when they can't hammer these systems back into the monad laden state-machines they were trained on, but those people tend to get fired eventually.

Note SCADA systems were mostly designed by engineers, and are about as robust as a vehicular bridge built by a JavaScript programmer.

Anecdotally, I think of Java as being a deprecated student language (one reason to avoid Kafka in new stacks), but it is still a solid choice in many use-cases. Sounds like you might be too smart to work with any team. =3

[vips7L]

> Anecdotally, I think of Java as being a deprecated student language (one reason to avoid Kafka in new stacks), but it is still a solid choice in many use-cases. Sounds like you might be too smart to work with any team. =3

Honestly from reading this it seems like you’re the one who is too smart to work with any team.

[javaunsafe2019]

I don’t know why but I could wear you are German (and old)

[Joel_Mckay]

I like working with folks that know a good pint, and value workmanship.

If you are inferring someone writing software for several decades might share, than one might want to at least reconsider civility over ones ego. Best of luck =3

[javaunsafe2019]

Neither being German or old are bad values from my point of view. But you tried a bit hard to flex with your past experiences tbh...

[Joel_Mckay]

Many NDA do not really ever expire on some projects, most work is super boring, and recovering dysfunctional architectures with a well known piece of free community software is hardly grandstanding.

"It works! so don't worry about spending a day or two exploring..." should be the takeaway insight about Erlang/RabbitMQ. Have a wonderful day. =3

[kvakerok]

Coincidentally another SCADA module we made was handling bi-directional RabbitMQ comms. Not everyone is a one-trick pony :)

[kevinherron]

> for a SCADA system

for Ignition?

[SteveNuts]

Probably Wonderware

[kvakerok]

Yep