[iterateoften]

I never understood the hate against ORMs. It always seems like a superiority complex or some claim that SQL is “so simple”.

Yeah SQL is extremely simple to write, that isn’t really the problem ORMs solve for me, but rather they solve composability and reuse of queries.

I think there is a similar vein of people crying about sites not using 100% vanilla js without a framework. They are missing the point or don’t have enough experience with the actual problems the abstractions solve.

[zanellato19]

This is one of my biggest pet peeves against HN. It's also obvious ORMS won, every new framework creates them. People who keep speaking about not using them are crazy.

[stop50]

I am confident in easy SELECT queries, even with multiple tables, but once i have to use JOIN or other advanced things my queries are a mess, returning data i never expected.