[butifnot0701]

I feel like that's part of what Elon is flexing. Teslabot was late comer compared to competitors like BD.

Elon is showing off he can marshal enough resources and talents to be on par (kinda) with state of the art products in crazy time. That's been most of his superpower so far - not breakthrough tech that didnt exist before. We've had rockets before.

[mjamesaustin]

I don't like Elon either, but not only has SpaceX created breakthrough tech that didn't exist by landing an orbital class rocket, as of today still nobody else has done it.

Landing a rocket was considered impossible and unthinkable 10 years ago, and then SpaceX completely changed the game. And they're reinventing rocket tech again with Starship by catching it midair.

[GoatInGrey]

It still blows my mind that nobody has meaningfully replicated the Falcon 9 after thirteen years of it flying commercially.

[jprd]

We can all thank Gwynne Shotwell for this though.

[everfrustrated]

Have you listened to her interviews? You can find some on YouTube.

I'm sure she has been very helpful in navigating the US govt/NASA bureaucracy and winning SpaceX deals, but she's clearly not a visionary.

[melodyogonna]

Gwynee Shotwell works for Elon Musk.

[TFYS]

The number of people that have the capital and connections required to even attempt such things is very small, so it's not necessarily Musk's abilities that made those things happen, just the combination of having the power to allocate enough resources and an interest in such things.

[somenameforme]

He started both Tesla and SpaceX when he had "only" a few hundred million to his name and no more connections than would be expected of a Silicon Valley guy making payment software. And lots of brilliant guys, including John Carmack for instance, have tried their hand at aerospace - and failed. Jeff Bezos started Blue Origin before SpaceX was even founded, and it was literally only last month that they finally managed to get a rocket into orbit for the first time. There's a joke in the industry: 'How do you become a millionaire in the aerospace industry? Start out as a billionaire in the aerospace industry!'

And we live in a world of millions of millionaires, and thousands of billionaires. For that matter, even China is trying their hardest to replicate SpaceX tech given all the resources of the world's largest economy, and 1.4 billion people (meaning a proportionally larger chunk of intellectual outliers), and defacto authoritarian power to make it all happen. Yet they remain (in terms of rocket technology) behind SpaceX.

[TFYS]

Being the most successful out of three or even a dozen doesn't make someone exceptional. Because so few people with interest in space have "only" a few hundred million, we can't really say if it's actually his talent that made it possible or simply the result of having access to resources that the vast majority of people could never dream of.

The U.S. has a long history of aerospace innovation, from NASA to private contractors, and Musk was able to use this ecosystem. China doesn't have that.

[somenameforme]

WEF cites a global space economy at $630 billion, alongside investments of $70 billion. [1] And as anybody with half a head on their shoulder can see, space will be where the big future economic growth will come from. Even if somebody has 0 interest in space, which I think is very few people, that's where the next 'big boom' in economics will come from. And SpaceX was started on a fraction of $0.3 billion with Carmack and Bezos just being a couple of names people on here would be familiar with, amongst tens of thousands. Yet no competitor is anywhere to be found.

And the US doesn't have a long history of aerospace innovation. In 1962 Kennedy gave his 'to the Moon' speech, 7 years later in 1969 we'd go from having nothing to putting a man on the Moon. From 1969 (well 1972 in particular) to the birth of SpaceX (early 2000s) US space technology not only stagnated but regressed. This is why Boeing (who was a major part of the original space race) can't manage to even begin to replicate what we achieved in the 60s, in 7 years no less!

Incidentally this is also a big part of what motivated Elon to start SpaceX. He was looking at NASA's future plans for human spaceflight and they were basically nonexistent. So he wanted to launch a greenhouse to Mars and stream it growing, to inspire people and hopefully get things moving in the right direction again. NASA wasn't interested in any such things, the Russians wanted too much $$$, and so SpaceX was born.

[1] - https://www.weforum.org/stories/2024/04/space-economy-techno...

[beAbU]

Nit: musk is not a tesla founder. He bought his right to be called that for $6M

[everfrustrated]

While technically correct, the Tesla that Elon bought has basically nothing in common with current Tesla.

[somenameforme]

When Musk 'joined' Tesla it was a name and two other guys. The latter two of whom left the company before a single car had been produced. They then sued for the right to be called founders a couple of years after they left, and once it became clear the company would stand a reasonable chance of success.

[megaman821]

If my memory serves me correctly, they had put some Sony Handicam batteries on a chasis and driven it around before Musk. Musk was there for every actual product and its development.

[cristiancavalli]

This is a patently false retelling — check your sources.

[gonzobonzo]

> I feel like that's part of what Elon is flexing. Teslabot was late comer compared to competitors like BD.

When it come to bipedal robots, Tesla is far ahead of Boston Dynamics in terms of actually creating a product.

[lossolo]

Have you seen Unitree robots? They started mass producing them. It's Chinese company.

[wyclif]

We've had rockets before

Yeah, but we didn't have reusable orbital rockets, and that's a distinction with a big difference.