[lillecarl]

If you have a modern machine with S0 sleep, which is "modern standby" it's very much solved. What it does is it pauses all userspace processes, disables all cores but one and keeps it running on the lowest frequency. The system stays "on" but all devices go in power-saving state which is good enough for days.

So it's not really a problem unless you really wanna do deeper sleeps.

[grayhatter]

> so it's not really a problem unless you really wanna do deeper sleeps.

the way I parsed this was; so it's not really a problem unless you want to use your computer the way you want to use it.

I get things are complicated, and hardware support is a mixed bag. But it doesn't have to be this way.

[lillecarl]

My honest experience is that S0 is a godsend, when you use a device on a weekly basis S0 is good enough and it just works, no messing and fiddling and tweaking, just running.

Chasing "real sleep" gives me nothing but pain. Also Android devices "sleep" fully awake so it's really "what people are doing".

[makeitdouble]

Another way to put it: nobody solved this problem, so the next move was to embrace never sleeping and market it as a feature.

Microsoft also went that route with the Surface line, it just never sleeps.