[Xuban]

I don't think this is the approach if you want people to side against Milei.

His economic results are crystal clear: inflation is way down, the economy is growing, percentage of poor people is down, the debt and the stock market are way up, salaries are up and so on.

[Daishiman]

> inflation is way down

Inflation is still far higher than it was 15 years ago without contractive policies that are destroying the industrial fabric of the country, and the local understanding of economist that actually know a thing or two is that there is inflationary inertia that will not be solved by the current policies.

> the economy is growing

By no means is the economy growing; industrial capacity is down. The nominal price of goods is going up and the cost of living is going up which appears in some metrics as more money moving in the economy, alebeit for drastically lower production as the real price in US dollars has doubled across every product line. The indexes that show progress use outdated purchasing baskets.

> percentage of poor people is down

Poverty went drastically up at the beginning of his mandate and still has not recovered baseline values. Most poverty indicators continue to undercount the impact of the cost of food, medical insurance and services, which hit poor homes disproportionately. This can be observed by the fact that medicine and food consumption are the categories whose consumption has been hit the hardest.

> salaries are up

Registered salaries using indices that have no accomodated for the changes in inflationary inertia are not very useful. [Consumption, however, is the lowest it's been in 20 years with no sign of recovery](https://www.infobae.com/economia/2025/01/15/el-consumo-masiv...).

[EricDeb]

Is this article out of date then? https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/12/7/a-year-int...

[gus_massa]

From the article:

> For nearly 40 years, Argentina’s poverty level had consistently hovered above 25 percent. But since the far-right Milei took office on December 10, 2023, that figure has skyrocketed.

When he started, the poverty index was around 40%, not 25%. Then it peaked to almost 55%, but now they claim it has descended to around 40% again (It's probably down, but I'd wait a few months for confirmation.).

Also, from 2007 to 2015 the numbers were heavily cooked, so take that period with a grain of salt.

And in ~1990 we had an hyperinflation, that may skew the average in weird ways.

> But two months ago, their rent mushroomed from 90,000 Argentinian pesos to 150,000 — a leap from roughly $88 to $148. It was beyond their ability to afford.

We had a heavy rent control, so most apartments were out of the market and it was difficult to find one.

For some time it was ilegal to raise the rent and the inflation was 100% yoy. So a contract for two years used to say something like you have to pay an average of AR$75K, but only AR$50K during the first year and AR$100 during the second year. So no "rise", only a weird paying scheme.

Also, to renew it, you must pay the new market rate, but the inflation was 200% yoy instead of the predicted 100% yoy. So the new prize was AR$150K and AR$300K (with an average of AR$225K).

(IIRC there were some changes to allow increments that follow the inflation index, but only every 6 months. With an inflation rate of 250% yoy, that means that every 6 months your rent double overnight.)

So IMO it's not outdated, but the numbers are cherry picked and are difficult to understand if you never lived with a 200% yearly inflation.

[Empact]

Difficult to confirm but various sources are reporting a steep drop in poverty from the 50s to the 30s over the past year. https://x.com/michaelaarouet/status/1891031131375423725?s=46 https://x.com/bowtiedmara/status/1883202966900900218?s=46

[lovich]

I have no desire if to influence if people side with or against Milei. If you want to follow him, by all means go for it.

I am however, still going to mock obviously bat shit insane ideas, and telepathically speaking with your cloned dogs for policy advice is absolutely bat shit insane

[kjksf]

It would be if it was true.

He apparently did clone his dogs but can you point to the source material (in this case Milei) about speaking with them telepathically?

This just sounds super made up.

I've listen to his interview with Lex F. and his WEF speech and he sounded like a principled free market advocate. Not a single thing he said was crazy so I wonder where did you get this factoid.

Milei has certainly been smeared as right-wing so I wouldn't be surprised with other smears as well.

[the_af]

It's not made up.

He's said so in speeches I've listened to. He claims his dog Conan (deceased) gives him advice from the Beyond. You can also google the myriad of interviews with him that mention this (and note: not all of them are critical, some found this touch of craziness endearing!).

He also claims his dogs (all clones of his revered Conan) are his "children", because they are the only "people" -- along with his sister -- "who will not betray him". Note that very few people have seen these dogs alive (very few recent photos or videos), and there's concern they may also be providing him comfort from "the Great Beyond". He gets enraged if people question him about this.

The guy is mentally unstable.

> Milei has certainly been smeared as right-wing so I wouldn't be surprised with other smears as well.

Sadly, in this case the truth is stranger than fiction.

[the_af]

> His economic results are crystal clear: inflation is way down, the economy is growing, percentage of poor people is down, the debt and the stock market are way up, salaries are up and so on.

Do you live in Argentina? Because none of this is actually true.

Look at the other side of the coin, too: his policies are authoritarian, he's dismantling science and industry, he's becoming like a religious leader automatically aligned with the US in whatever random things Trump says (e.g. attempting to leave the WHO just because Trump claimed he would do so).

Lots of poor people begging on the streets for a country where "the percentage of poor people is down". Also, this percentage is compared to the previous administration, which wasn't very good and also went through the COVID pandemic.

He's also been sacking close associates left and right, not exactly a sign of a competent government that inspires confidence.

> salaries are up and so on

This is false, but also, the cost of living is going up. Oh, "inflation" won't show you this, but the actual cost in dollars will.