[openrisk]

Collapse or no collapse I just hope that somebody sets up a HN equivalent in Europe. Discussing technology in a meaningful and fun way becomes impossible when moral values diverge beyond recognition and this is now becoming our reality.

[OgsyedIE]

It can't be the UK or France because of their laws around platforms and while Wikimedia has picked Germany the EU as a whole is pretty vulnerable to anticompetitive lobbying for more regulations from the giants that can afford any regulatory barriers.

It's gotta be Norway or nothing.

[fastball]

You don't think European moral values are wildly divergent?

Also Europe isn't exactly known for its technological innovation in [current year], so not sure what technology you'd be talking about anyway.

If you want moral alignment and technological innovation, it seems better to setup your new HN in China.

[motorest]

> You don't think European moral values are wildly divergent?

Which moral values might that be?

> Also Europe isn't exactly known for its technological innovation in [current year], so not sure what technology you'd be talking about anyway.

I'd love to hear what you consider technology innovation.

[fastball]

> Which moral values might that be?

Exactly my point.

> Technology

Relative number of technology unicorns headquartered in Europe would be a good start.

Or number of bleeding edge tech industries you'd say "Europe" is leading (e.g. space, military, nuclear, AI, etc)

[motorest]

> Exactly my point.

You made no point at all.

> Relative number of technology unicorns headquartered in Europe would be a good start.

You seem a bit confused. "Unicorns" are characterized not by technology but by coming up with novel business plans that can disrupt incumbents. The likes of Google and Apple are tech companies, but Uber, NetFlix, AirBnB, etc have tech as a secondary support role to what actually drives the unicorn status.

More nuanced, what characterizes a unicorn isn't even a successful business plan. Being able to fool a fat wallets investor to dump cash on your idea is the key aspect that makes and breaks a unicorn, and tech is an afterthought.

> Or number of bleeding edge tech industries you'd say "Europe" is leading (e.g. space, military, nuclear, AI, etc)

France is the world's second largest arms exporter in the world, ahead of Russia.

In the top 10 list of world's arms exporters, 5 countries are EU members.

Not bad, for a region that has offloaded it's arms industry to the US.

Also, does the US have anything that comes close to ASML? Perhaps a TikTok clone or an app to rent apartments counts more as tech than it, perhaps?