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by icegreentea2 493 days ago
I don't think China wants chaos per se. I don't think either China or Russia want a situation where any given state can just decide to invade another state and move borders.

What you described as a "new world order" is a return to spheres of influence. The regional hegemon usually wants some degree of stability within their sphere. The whole imperial project is impeded when your subjects are fighting each other.

I think it is true that both Russia and China are open to limited chaos now, but not as a constant on-going feature. Chaos now is just a symptom of the current system in terminal decline. I can imagine all major powers of a new system using the relative stability of the new system as a legitimizing point (aimed both at domestic consumption, as well as to their subject states).

Finally, I think describing "what the US wants" right now is basically impossible. Even before Trump, there has always been (and especially in the last ~20 years) this ever growing chasm between the reality of soft empire, and "what the man on the street" believes and thinks about the reality of American power and its benefits and costs.