[z7]

The beginning of a new kind of discrimination - call it 'synthetic racism.' AI-generated music is being dismissed outright even before listening to it, not based on quality or enjoyment but purely on its artificial origin. Just as past prejudices dismissed art based on heritage rather than merit, we're now seeing a new bias against anything not 'human-made.'

[hnlmorg]

Art is an emotional experience. Sometimes people enjoy art because it elicits an emotion in them. And sometimes they enjoy art because of the emotional effort that went into it from the creator.

It’s the same reason some people don’t like generic pop music due to its formulaic commercialism.

So if people are discriminating AI art because they want to experience the emotions that the authors put into the pieces, then I’m ok with that right up until it can be argued that AI experiences emotions.

[satvikpendem]

I've favorited this comment because it could easily pass for satire of certain types of comments on HN.

[GuinansEyebrows]

Too Poe For Poe (“synthetic racism” is unreal!)

[GuinansEyebrows]

Show me an AI with a point of view.

Show me an AI with an opinion; an aesthetic preference.

Show me an AI that has emotions.

Show me an AI that’s chosen to make sacrifices to produce its art.

AI cannot produce art. Images are not intrinsically art. Sound is not intrinsically art. Art requires thought and intent. AI is not capable of either.

[mlboss]

Humans are not the center of the universe. There is nothing intrinsically magical in being a human. Humans don't have soul. We were not created in "God"'s image. We are not special. We are just like other animals and continuously evolving. AI is just the next step in the evolution.

All the emotion serve as a shortcut for behaviors that make evolutionary sense.

Things suck before they get better and then keep on getting better.

[MyOutfitIsVague]

100% atheist here. Humans are the center of my universe, and humans are special to me. I'm team human. I don't care if AI is the next step in the evolution, I would absolutely kill it if necessary to save humanity.

[PUSH_AX]

Gee let’s hope free will is real, otherwise this take gets really awkward.

[GuinansEyebrows]

I’m not worried about questions we can’t answer. I’m worried about businesses destroying artists.

[PUSH_AX]

Ok, your original comment seemed more concerned with the genesis of opinion and creativity, but that’s good to know too.

[wruza]

You may get most of that by prompting. You can create really based or emotional characters even with “aligned” models (with a little realignment). Have you ever talked to an LLM that allows system prompting? Heard of [E]RP? You can even teach them to not produce idiotic bullet points.

I won’t argument on the art part, but these common AI stereotypes are not true.

[GuinansEyebrows]

The AI does not possess those attributes. It’s behaving as told. It has no experience. It has no senses. It has no thoughts or ability to reason. It has no motivation.

[nathanlied]

Could we not - for the sake of argument here - surmise that, since these AIs need prompts, and usually a few rounds of refinement, and then a selection for uploading to (in this case) YouTube, that the -human- in charge of prompting/refinement/uploading has a point of view, an opinion, an aesthetic preference, emotions?

After all, there are artists that collate "samples" from other artists and produce music from all those different samples. They did not play any instrument, they merely arranged and modified these samples into a product that they presumably find pleasing.

[GuinansEyebrows]

The only way we can make that assumption is if the -human- makes it obvious. Tell me the people mass producing AI slop for YouTube/Spotify are approaching this with sincere intent.

[wruza]

It’s not even told, it continues a text (or denoises an image) in a way that closely resembles what was in the training data. Experience, senses, thoughts, reasoning and motivation were all there in original human- and nature-produced data. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43003186

Doesn’t mean the result is ideal, far from that. But your “bullet points” imply some specialness which has to be explained. Personally I don’t love the style of refusal you’re demonstrating, because it’s similar to if you know you know and other self-referential nonsense. At least add some becauses into your arguments, because “it has no X” is a simplification far below the level of usefulness here.

Anyway, how does that prevent creating AI personas again?

[concerndc1tizen]

There is no intent, so it is no more discriminatory than removing autumn leaves is discrimination against trees.