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by spiritplumber 495 days ago
And even the lecturers acquiesced when they found that a lecture on the sea was none the less stimulating when compiled out of other lectures that had already been delivered on the same subject. “Beware of first-hand ideas!” exclaimed one of the most advanced of them. “First-hand ideas do not really exist. They are but the physical impressions produced by love and fear, and on this gross foundation who could erect a philosophy? Let your ideas be second-hand, and if possible tenth-hand, for then they will be far removed from that disturbing element — direct observation. Do not learn anything about this subject of mine — the French Revolution. Learn instead what I think that Enicharmon thought Urizen thought Gutch thought Ho-Yung thought Chi-Bo-Sing thought Lafcadio Hearn thought Carlyle thought Mirabeau said about the French Revolution. Through the medium of these ten great minds, the blood that was shed at Paris and the windows that were broken at Versailles will be clarified to an idea which you may employ most profitably in your daily lives. But be sure that the intermediates are many and varied, for in history one authority exists to counteract another. Urizen must counteract the scepticism of Ho-Yung and Enicharmon, I must myself counteract the impetuosity of Gutch. You who listen to me are in a better position to judge about the French Revolution than I am. Your descendants will be even in a better position than you, for they will learn what you think I think, and yet another intermediate will be added to the chain. And in time” — his voice rose — “there will come a generation that had got beyond facts, beyond impressions, a generation absolutely colourless, a generation ‘seraphically free From taint of personality,’ which will see the French Revolution not as it happened, nor as they would like it to have happened, but as it would have happened, had it taken place in the days of the Machine.”

The Machine Stops, E M Forster, 1909

3 comments

Ty for sharing this quote, excellent.
reminder that this is describing something very bad and undesirable in the novel, with an uncritical humanity living subject to a machine. read the entire novel at least before internalizing yet another torment nexus.
I first read it during covid and it blew my mind, like, if there ever was anything that read like "I'm a time traveler stuck in 1909, please come get me", it would be this story...
got that from shockwave rider
This reads like AI.
Fortunately, we can trivially verify that the quote is real and comes from a short story:

https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/72890/pg72890-images.ht...

The quote in question comes from the section "Part III: The Homeless".

I recognise, but it reads as if it is. Overly complex word soup!