[landryraccoon]

> no sane nation ever will buy a US weapon

I don’t think the US defense industry is worried. Do you know any sane nations around here?

In general it’s not like war is about who’s right or moral. It’s more about who can bring more and better weapons to the fight.

[belter]

Canada would not buy anymore F-35. Their replacement parts can be shutdown any moment as the current US President stated publicly at least six times, they should become a US state.

A change of administration in the next few years, will not mitigate the taboo that has been broken.

The US sells 120 billion dollars a year of weapons: https://www.state.gov/fiscal-year-2024-u-s-arms-transfers-an...

[milesrout]

Baseless catastrophising. Turn off the news a bit.

[JadeNB]

> In general it’s not like war is about who’s right or moral. It’s more about who can bring more and better weapons to the fight.

I suspect, though I'm not sure, that the point was more that a nation that rejects science in favor of a different kind of ideological purity (lack of virtue signaling as its own kind of virtue signaling) is a nation whose weapons are no longer likely to be the better ones.

[foldr]

I think the point is that the US is no longer a reliable ally, so people will no longer want to buy weapons systems for which the US might withdraw support at any moment.

[aerostable_slug]

That seems to be a premature assessment. Trump paused a weapons shipment to Ukraine, then allowed to it to continue. No other shipments have been held up at all. Our allies continue to receive the output of the American arms industry just like they did six months ago.

In fact, the latest news is that Trump is expanding our circle of friends when it comes to advanced weapons, offering India the opportunity to purchase F-35s.

[foldr]

It's a long-term shift. European militaries are built on the assumption of US support via NATO in the event of an attack on a member state. That assumption is looking very shaky now, and it will affect future planning.

[milesrout]

They are built on the assumption will subsidise their defence almost entirely. They are rapidly realising that the US defending them will be conditional on them defending themselves. This is not a serious threat, it is just pressure. But it has resulted in increased investment in defence in Europe which is really important for global security.

[foldr]

>They are built on the assumption will subsidise their defence almost entirely.

This is an exaggeration. The larger European military powers spent enough on defence to be able to operate without US assistance in a range of circumstances (e.g. the Falklands war). But Europe did not anticipate having to defend itself against Soviet aggression without US assistance.

In fairness, it would have seemed crazy, not so long ago, to think that the POTUS would be on friendlier terms with the leader of a Russian dictatorship than with the democratically elected leaders of France and Germany. But here we are.

[jtbayly]

Given the rejection of science and extreme virtue signaling the US has had for the last 20 years, I’m a bit skeptical that a slight turning back from that would make any difference to our allies.

[sandworm101]

>> In general it’s not like war is about who’s right or moral. It’s more about who can bring more and better weapons to the fight.

"You have the watches. We have the time." There are many ways to win a war.