[LiveTheDream]

> (Also, talking about security-people-hackers on a site primarily focused on programming-startup-hackers confuses the crap out of me.)

From the Hacker News Guidelines: "On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting."

The folks at DEF CON are some of the best hackers out there. Have you seen any of the presentations?

[seabee]

The point is not that security-people-hackers are off-topic, but that they are not the ones usually meant when talking about hackers on this site.