[sthatipamala]

As other manufacturers come out with electric drivetrains, Tesla is really falling behind.

I own a Model Y and it’s really barebones and plasticky. For the similar price, the Ioniq 5 is much nicer.

Similarly, the Rivians blow Model X out of the water in terms of features.

[dham]

The Ioniq 5 has much nicer interior but it can't drive you from point A to point B without intervention. So the Model Y could be a made out of Lego, have a seat with nails sticking out, force me to inflict pain on myself before putting it in drive and I would still own a Model Y. Even if Elon is crazy there is nothing else close to it on the market I'm sorry. Maybe Rivian.

[cogman10]

> but it can't drive you from point A to point B without intervention.

My Model 3 with FSD constantly has problems going from A to B without intervention.

I'd miss FSD, but ultimately it's not that big of a benefit over other ADAS implementations. Lane keeping and auto cruise is like 90% of the benefit of FSD.

[dham]

Lane keep plus adaptive cruise control is ok until you want more. Trust me I used open pilot for 4 years. Once you have auto lane change like GM Cruise or Tesla FSD you can't go back.

> My Model 3 with FSD constantly has problems going from A to B without interventio

I mean my daily drives say otherwise. Are you on HW3 or 4?

[cogman10]

HW3 and I purchased the car with FSD in 2018.

Lane change on the interstate is fine, but for city/road nav it can be really bad. There's been more than a few occasions where telsa will try and put me in the wrong lane (even on long and well established road) which would ultimately force an unintended turn. If I'm not babying the system, the car will try and cut off whoever is behind me to follow the route.

Frankly, I don't trust it because of these sorts of problems.

[dham]

I can't really comment on HW3. Ever since 12 it's been really great. 13 is even better. It drives me everywhere. Some people don't have the mental to let a car drive itself, they want it to drive exactly like they do, which isn't going to happen. It's really like sitting in passenger or backseat and if it isn't doing exactly what you want you tend to think it's messing up.

I had a lot of years with Comma AI before. There's no other consumer system on the planet that is close to FSD. lane assist's and adaptive cruise control are getting better with legacy manufacturers but they're still so far off.

[cogman10]

> Some people don't have the mental to let a car drive itself, they want it to drive exactly like they do

Not the problem. Like I said, it's getting into the wrong lane and then cutting off people when it realizes it's not where it should be.

That's not a "It's not driving how I would" problem. That's a "It's creating a dangerous situation because of poor mapping data/bad route decisions" problem.

I typically drive with FSD on, but I'm quick to disengage because it's really not uncommon that the system will try and put me in an obviously bad situation.

[jaggs]

Mmm... There's probably a Chinese EV company or two that would like a word. :)

[thatfrenchguy]

I mean, funnily enough, the new waymos are Ioniq 5?