[hx8]

Sabotaging engines of a military ship doesn't fit with my expectations of military security. You cannot even sabotage most civilian office printers without getting past a security badge and passing through multiple security cameras.

[lnsru]

There is no military security in Germany. Military hires low wage guys over “security” companies to guard their barracks and military objects. That’s shocking reality. There are no soldiers with dogs and armed G36 around. Swarms of hostile drones fly over military objects and make pictures of every detail inside. Sad reality. Sometimes I feel that the whole country is sabotaged.

[hx8]

This is the most pessimistic account of the German military I've read, and admittedly I've read several propaganda and mainstream media pieces about the German military.

To people that share this low opinion of the German military, is it worse in Germany than the other major European armies (France, UK)?

[halJordan]

Drone overflights are not the problem he thinks it is. A western military is categorically prohibited from shooting at civilians and their things. And the people who say "just shoot them" don't understand what theyre asking for.

Having said that, the Germans have for decades not funded their military. Politicians have for decades degraded the profession of war and those who pursue it and now those chickens are coming home to roost.

Frankly they deserve this, and they are extremely lucky their opponent is so butthurt they're doing this sabotage during peacetime so the Germans at least have the option to fix themselves.

[varsketiz]

As a european, I do not consider it peace time. It's an ongoing hybrid war.

Also, blaming germans for "degrading profession of war" shows quite some gaps in history knowledge.

[2-3-7-43-1807]

Sabotaged by our incompetent and ignorant politicians for sure.

[RicoElectrico]

So does or did Polish military with IMPEL guards

[dralley]

This is Germany, they let themselves get a bit lax.

Also it sounds like it was pre-commissioning, so it hadn't been delivered to the Navy yet.

[hx8]

So it's not the German military that had the security breach, just the German defense contractors. That's still disturbing, but much less so.

[red-iron-pine]

is there a difference? supply chain attacks are still attacks

[hx8]

There's a difference. Yes supply chin attacks are bad. It's worse when deployed equipment is destroyed, because it can generate holes in defense for more special ops. Sabotaging deployed equipment also reduces the ability for the military to respond to active threats.

Supply chain attacks are a thorn at your side, sabotage on military bases is a direct security threat to the country.

[Ekaros]

Sabotaging engines of any ship feels like failure in generic security. Bringing stuff in is a thing, but bringing stuff out should as much be a thing and a risk. Like regular theft of say copper or other materials.