[zokier]

> In the past, I felt a bit annoyed at people overselling Wayland when there were so many things still wrong with it on the fundamental level.

But the fundamentals of Wayland have barely changed at all. And yet now it seems fine? So can you really say that there were in the past many things wrong on fundamental level?

[adrian_b]

As explained in the article there have been significant additions to the Wayland protocols during the last 3 years, which have been necessary to fix the author's complaints.

These protocol changes appear to count as changes in the fundamentals of Wayland, because the older versions were incomplete, since features that were considered essential by the author were impossible to implement with the then-existing Wayland protocols.

In general, I think that there is no doubt that Wayland has been very badly designed in the beginning, so its fundamental features have been bad, because for many applications it has become usable only after many years of additions and changes, which have resulted in a quite different Wayland than in the limited vision of its creators.

Wayland still has fundamental choices with which I do not agree, so it is unlikely that I will ever switch to Wayland. For instance, I do not want a GUI application to touch anything outside the client area of a window. I want everything outside that area, e.g. window frames, decorations, titles, buttons, menus, etc., to be drawn by the window manager, so that they will always have an identical appearance and behavior, regardless which application is run in that window and regardless what the application does.

[topaz0]

This is my knee-jerk reaction when people complain about wayland as well, and is often a correct reaction, but in this case the author really is talking about nontrivial wayland changes.

[diggan]

I think the author is saying that many things have changed since last post, the section "Upstream Wayland basically fixed most of the technical things I complained about" has a bunch of things that could be seen as "broken on the fundamental level" (from authors POV) in the past but today have been "fixed".