[invalidator]

> I can't help but feel like a lighter weight VM (versus electron) is what we actually want. Or at least what _I_ want, something like UXN but just a little more fully featured.

That's basically the JVM, isn't it?

It's interesting to think how some of the reasons it sucked for desktop apps (performance, native UI) are also true of Electron. Maybe our expectations are just lower now.

[dmwilcox]

I got super interested in Clojure and the java UI frameworks a year ago. But the languages on top of languages scared me. I wanted something simpler, so now I'm writing x86-16 and making bitmapped fonts and things. Probably not a good idea for anyone with a timeline but it's been educational

[invalidator]

> Probably not a good idea for anyone with a timeline

It's not completely crazy. Software was developed by much smaller teams and got out the door quickly in that era.