[amluto]

My biggest objection to modern smart turn signal stalks is that you can’t turn the turn signal off easily. Sometimes the signal is on, I want it off, and there simply is no way to do it reliably. The old latching stalks could be moved to the center position, and the signal would turn off every time.

[nottorp]

With the Tesla i couldn't keep it on to turn left at something like 30 to 45 degrees and at the same time maneuver to the lane reserved for taking that left. Which required turning the wheel right a bit.

Since I was test driving, I just moved forward instead.

[tekknik]

On a Tesla you do exactly the same, push the stalk back to center. It’s a little confusing at first but so is one pedal driving.

[amluto]

What generation Tesla?

On the originals, sure. The stock physically latches away from the center position when the signal is on. Works great.

On some of the newest ones, there is a left signal button and a right signal button. I think that, if you are signaling right and push the left button and you don’t lose the race against the automatic end of signaling, then you end up not signaling. This is both modal and racy.

On the intermediate models I’ve tried, I’m moderately confident that the stick always rests in the center position. You can’t push it toward center because it’s already there.

[tekknik]

It’s the generation before juniper, or the latest currently shipping of the model y.

I tick it to the left it stays on until i tick it back to the center. it doesn’t stay lock to the left until i complete the turn, this is a key difference.

it’s really a nonissue. you have enough time to cancel a lane change with FSD running.

[nottorp]

I have no idea what exact generation of Tesla model 3 I've tried. It had a stalk not buttons but the stalk wasn't staying down or up, you pulled it and it went back to the center (or even didn't really move, not sure any more) and the turn signal stayed on for as long as the "AI" decided.

And if you train the "AI" only on rectangular grid cities, that's a problem.

[tekknik]

Yes the stalk doesn’t stay ticked in the direction of the signal.

There are 4 “positions” on the stalk, two towards the left and two towards the right. On each side there is one all the way at the end of the throw, and one about 1/3 into the throw. You push it to the 1/3 mark to cancel the signal.

[amluto]

You push it to the 1/3 mark which way to cancel the signal? And what happens if the AI cancels the signal after you start trying to cancel but before you get to the 1/3 mark?