[igorkraw]

In the spirit of HN rules, actual answering instead of snark:

1. The memory of Nazis using centralised industrial might and information to kill millions of people (google dutch insurance records Nazis)

2.a much stronger history of workers rights and distrust of rich people together with a different attitude to gouvernement making it politically challenging

Can hate it or love it, but the median life expectancy in Europe is much less correlated with wealth and _I think_ is higher from memory, child hunger and food insecurity is much lower and homelessness and other corporate abuse is much less of a problem corrected for wealth and population.

Whether we manage to keep this remains to be seen, but I think it's a reasonable set of different preferences

[FirmwareBurner]

No offence but those arguments are all silly.

>1. The memory of Nazis using centralised industrial might and information to kill millions of people (google dutch insurance records Nazis)

We can't stop developing and using modern technology just because one time in the past modern technology was used to kill people. Imagine if prehistoric humans stopped using fire because one time some retard burned down the village, or if they stopped forging steel because swords were used to kill people one time. People kill people, not technology alone.

And people who bring in the Nazi atrocities as a joker card against progress in an argument, usually do it for emotional manipulation to move the goalposts and push an agenda, similar to "won't someone think of the children" to push online surveillance. Most normal people don't think of the Nazi atrocities at every decision they make in life, most people think about the problems we have right now.

>2.a much stronger history of workers rights and distrust of rich people together with a different attitude to gouvernement making it politically challenging

Yeah well the problem is it's always the capitalistic rich people that create jobs and drive innovation. Putting the government in charge of creating jobs and innovations don't end up working well long term.

[igorkraw]

First point:I know people who had their houses trashed by card carrying Neonazis for being trans or migrant looking, who had their PII abused by Nazi cops (again card carrying) who shared access illegally, and I know people whose grandparents died in the resistance or camps. I've seen the Concentration camps as part of my travels when I was younger.

This isn't theoretical, this is learning from past mistakes. Only people who think themselves beyond this would be this dismissive.

2nd point: if you want to make a very specific point about coasian dynamics, freedom of business and liberal commerce, you need to be more specific, on the extremely broad strokes the new deal, china, the post war recovery in Europe, the well regulated energy markets vs unregulated monopolies etc. are all empirical counters to your vibes. I made these intentionally as broad strokes as you did, feel free to debunk them, but as an honest intellectal you'd then also find the limits to your claim and add nuance to it. Only Rand fanfiction takes the "job provider" literally

[bloomingkales]

Most normal people don't think of the Nazi atrocities at every decision they make in life, most people think about the problems we have right now.

I don't want to get too Hitler ad reductio, but that's probably what the Nazis thought too. It hasn't even been a 100 years since this all happened man. It's only sociopaths that constantly play up the past is the past nonsense. There's an incredible bravado to it. It's not the past, it was barely yesterday. The only thing I'll grant you is that its probably not happening again only because in the grand time line, less than 100 years is pretty much still happening, we're still INSIDE the chaos of ww2 and nazism. The same way we are all still inside the big bang, expanding outward.

But yes, sociopaths need to forget this, similar to how they need to forget an affair or a crime. It is what it is.

[FirmwareBurner]

> that's probably what the Nazis thought too

Nazis though about a lot of things, like investing in infrastructure. Is everyone who invests in infrastructure now a concern because they're doing something the Nazis did? People who can't critically think and dethatch the actions from the group and resort to blindly putting people into boxes based on superficial things taken out of context are unwell.

> It's only sociopaths that constantly play up the past is the past nonsense.

Wrong. It's the enlightened pragmatists and realists who want the world to progres instead of wasting efforts squabbling over past events that do that, while it's the sociopaths that constantly want people to live with the guilt of the original sin because that's easy emotional manipulation for the masses to push them towards an agenda, which is why politicians keep bridging up the past national glories and traumas in their speeches.

[bloomingkales]

Well, you see the devil has a very beaver like discipline. It’s in the details of that intricate Dam building that the nothingness of the Beavers simple life is hidden (simple != moral).

Some Beavers are nazis that build Dams. Infrastructure they call it.

Not all Beavers are nazis. Not all Dams are Nazi Beaver projects. I get you, I really do. But I’m going to pay attention anyway.

[bloomingkales]

”while it's the sociopaths that constantly want people to live with the guilt of the original sin because that's easy emotional manipulation for the masses to push them towards an agenda”

Why don’t you just literally say you don’t share the same values as Christ!

Pretty sure that was his whole game. I really thought this needed its own reply, because Christ just literally showed up in your post. Like, the literal inverse of him. It’s not your fault, the world is possessed lately.

I have a theory that the Great Pyramids were not some incredible technological advancement. Rather, it was God’s punishment for man’s perverted pursuit of stacking rocks on top of rocks toward the sky, like a beaver. He had them slavishly stack the rocks to the top, for nothing. To this day the other beavers don’t know what it was for, but that’s literally the lesson. Don’t do stuff like that (building pyramids) because it’s a waste of a life.

Everything is perspective, I agree. You cannot forget our sins just because time has passed. You can remember it in a more comfortable way if you want. For example, I’m sure it’s more comfortable talking to me about it online (versus, in church? At work?). Regardless, we are doing the meditation and that’s key.

In fact, I spent an hour or so reflecting on your reply. I’m positive I saw the world’s richest man , unelected, purchased the White House and address the public yesterday. And then I come here to be told I’m an obsessive of the past, with the signature tone of a literal (I mean literal, define anti, and define Christ), literal anti christ slogans. Just a pure outright rejection of Christ and tacit apology for Nazism.

This is not a hard retort by for me at all. Your post is so filthy I may take a walk past a nearby Church, and I’m not trying to insult you. I am literally looking for a sign from the Universe that everything is okay, and that there is less of your type of heart than I’m imagining (anything god, show me a butterfly or something).

[FirmwareBurner]

Please seek medical help from a specialist. That's a physiatrist, not a psychologist.

[bloomingkales]

Shit, I knew I shouldn’t have mentioned the pyramid thing lmao. Anyways, you keep it cool man, sometimes I get carried away.

Gonna go find this church.