[packtreefly]

The problem isn't that the owner didn't get the data. The problem is that the method for getting the data is that you must beg Tesla for it, rather than just slurping it out of a USB port inside the car.

If Tesla is going to go to the trouble of uploading all this shit to the cloud anyway, the least they can do is give customers a no-questions-asked download button.

[kelnos]

Not only do you have to beg Tesla for it, but you have to trust that Tesla hasn't doctored the data to corroborate the narrative that Tesla wants.

[simondotau]

You say that like there's any plausible alternative. Unless you're compiling the source code running on the car, you are trusting the manufacturer.

[simondotau]

I agree with the sentiment, but in practice this is a horrific idea. Make it easy and it’ll be snaffled up by law enforcement, whether covertly, with intimidation, or with routine warrants.

[packtreefly]

It's currently accessible to law enforcement via the law-abiding manufacturer acting as sole custodian. I don't see how this makes any difference.

[whamlastxmas]

This is factually not true. You fill out a single form on their website and get it less than a week later:

https://www.tesla.com/support/privacy#data-provided

There’s tons of anecdotes of people doing this very easily online. Good luck getting data this easily from any other major manufacturer

[packtreefly]

That counts as begging from my point of view.

> Good luck getting data this easily from any other major manufacturer

This is an industry-wide problem.

[93po]

If that's begging then signing up for literally any website is begging the website for an account