[brailsafe]

It's wild to me that so many people ITT obviously hate many aspects of the interface they have with their cars, and yet buy them new anyway and deal with it. Having not had a car for years, the only time I'd find this acceptable is if I was just buying a palatable but imperfect used car rather than a new one that's tens of thousands. I'd accept that some of these issues may not be discovered during the lead up research and testing phase, but it's weird and possibly upsetting that the pressure to buy an arbitrary car is so strong that some people would just get one anyway.

If I need a car temporarily, these are things I can easily overlook for like the week I have it, but if the controls irritate me, I'm sure as hell not inclined to go out and buy one anyway.

[typewithrhythm]

What's the alternative? Most cars have similar interfaces, and few are what I would want; but if you have already decided to buy a new "luxury van" (fill in your preferred type and trim), then you don't really get much of a choice.

[brailsafe]

> but if you have already decided to buy a new "luxury van"

Is that not a choice? That's the confusing bit. People talking about these like they've been held at gunpoint to consume luxury vehicles.

My sense is that car/automobile purchases are just so ingrained as default necessities that the idea of not having one either is or seems to be unthinkable.