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by jvanderbot 485 days ago
Don't even get me started. Here's a list of things my model Y regularly does:

- Try to accelerate to 45mph in a parking lot b/c it was within 10ft of the road

- Decelerate from highway speeds suddenly to 30mph, as though it saw something it might hit (I stopped it at 30-ish and hit the gas)

- Decelerate to 50mph because of "emergency vehicles" even though there were no vehicles around (sometimes it mistakes lights that strobe b/c they are seen through median dividers as "emergency lights")

- Take up two lanes because they gradually separated and the car thinks it should stay evenly between the left and right divider line

- choose absolutely bonkers limits, like 30mph on two lane country highways.

- Stop on the highway with a big red screen and a message that says "Take control now fatal error"

- Not so much a problem any more, but when I was first getting used to it, it would beep a message at me, then scold me for looking at the message (and not the road), then ask me to do some kind of hand grip on the wheel to prove I'm paying attention, but I have to look at the message to figure out what it wants.

My wife tells me "Just keep your foot on the gas to keep up the speed and your hands on the wheel to keep it in line" and I am just left wondering what FSD is for

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Drive from Memphis to Nashville in my “long range” Telsa 3 that has almost an amazing 160 mile range at 70 Mph. FSD would periodically do something crazy and then ask me why I disengaged, adding further excitement to my drive.

I am now absolutely convinced that we will have full self-driving from Tesla when we have a beautiful wall all the way from the east to the west coast along both the Mexican and Canadian borders. Both will be beautiful.

My tesla model 3 on "autopilot" (just keep speed) will ghost break if it sees some cars merging into an adjacent lane. Really dangerous, nobody expects a car decelerating from 130kph down to 50 on the nearly empty Autobahn. My previous car (VW) got that right. Overall it is a nice car (with a massive and increasing brand toxicity problem), but how can one trust the "full self driving" if it can't/doesn't even keep speed in supposedly trivial cases where the driver has control?
> what FSD is for

Hype & Marketing

Also boosting the stock price.

Musk has been lying about FSD for a decade and the lies boosted the stock price as intended:

https://motherfrunker.ca/fsd/

https://electrek.co/2024/08/24/tesla-deletes-its-blog-post-s...

It turns out lying works.

And it’s no secret he has been lying either. A few years ago Tesla’s senior most liaison to California’s road safety folks was on the record as saying hey we’re years away from true FSD, while Musk was at the very same time telling investors that they were going to crack it and deliver it in a year.
Eeesh. Yeah, I was afraid it might still be that bad after 10 years of between "this year" and "within three years".

At the time, 2016, I trusted their promotional video showing it driving hands-free; I'm not going to make the mistake of taking them at their word again after it was revealed to have not been as it appeared: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-faked-video-in-2016-pr...

> I am just left wondering what FSD is for

The vision and promise, or the actually demonstrated use case?

The demonstrated use case is to charge people more money for the same product.

The vision? That is exactly what Musk keeps saying: in principle, a self-driving car never gets tired or drunk, so it can be safer than the mean human even if it only operates at the level of the median human. And it wouldn't need to be limited to median human level, as the whole fleet could learn from every member, so gain experience a million times faster than any human.

But at this point, I'm sufficiently skeptical of all of this, that I think they (and everyone else) should be banned from direct observation of the entire fleet's cameras — it's a huge surveillance network operating on every public road and several private ones.

Why on earth are you using FSD in parking lots?
What else would the "Full" in "Full Self Driving" mean?
Why are you using full self driving as part of your driving?

Weird ask imo.

I hope you guys got rid of your teslas. Preferably under press. They are a danger to people around you.
They'd probably just replace it with another car, defeating the purpose.
Other cars don’t claim to offer FSD. The limitations are more explicit, therefore it’s safer for people around it.
If you were going to get rid of your Tesla for that reason, then you'd know about the limitations. Getting rid of it creates a chance for it to go to someone who did not.
Not based on their safety record.
Got any source for that, or anything to refute the reference below that shows that Teslas are actually the most dangerous in terms of fatal accidents/miles driven at twice the average?
Those are about the safety of people in the car. The comment saying they were dangerous was about people not in the car.
Based on reading that one, it seems like the takeaways are fairly opposed.
“The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. [...] “The models on this list likely reflect a combination of driver behavior and driving conditions, leading to increased crashes and fatalities,” iSeeCars executive analyst Karl Brauer said in the report.”

See also: https://www.iseecars.com/most-dangerous-cars-study#v=2024:~:...

It's also interesting in the context of this argument that they exclude models older than 2018.

I wonder if driver behavior is influenced by Tesla’s design of certain systems, in which case Tesla vehicles would be inherently unsafe and have design flaws to the extent that unsafe driver behaviors are enabled or encouraged.

“I wonder” is facetious here. Of course driver behaviors are influenced by Tesla marketing and design choices, and of course Teslas being the Most Dangerous Car Brand is an indication that Teslas are inherently unsafe and have design flaws.

I'm honestly willing to chalk a big part of the increased fatalities up to their awful UI/UX, that incessantly draws the attention away from the road to do even minor things (adjust mirrors, windshield wipers, etc)
In the same way as a 911 driver's behaviour is influenced by porsche's design of certain systems, etc
Just like every other vehicle on the road.
It's for the share price. Just like it was for uber.