[kllrnohj]

> If C++ really wants to help "game-engines" or make actual strides, then it should add basic GUI support to the language itself. That'd kill off 90% of the other framework/libraries out there.

Find me a single language that has an included GUI that anyone uses. I'll wait.

Even VB.NET, for which building GUIs was its entire reason to exist at all, has multiple GUIs officially, they couldn't even stick to one.

This is absolutely a terrible idea for a language, any language, to engage with at a language / standard library level.

[pjmlp]

Smalltalk-80 when it was at Xerox PARC, Objective-C at NeXT, VB (native version, not .NET), Hypercard.

[kllrnohj]

That list would be like saying "Java on Android". A single platform's narrow usage of a language != language's standard library having it.

[pjmlp]

It is the standard library on the platform, of course it counts.

Get Smalltalk-80 reference manual without the UI documentation of its standard library, and no, GNU Smalltalk is not a complete implementation.

[igouy]

"The standard does not attempt to specify areas where current implementations differ in significant ways. In particular, as the goal statement implies, we did not include graphics, user interface, or database accessing objects in the library."

1997 DRAFT ANSI Smalltalk Standard

https://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/uploads/172/standard_v1_9-ind...

[pjmlp]

That is not Smalltalk-80 as originally designed....

[igouy]

Smalltalk-80 is not Smalltalk "as originally designed".

(Moving goal posts.)

[kllrnohj]

We're not talking about platforms, we're talking about languages.

[pjmlp]

Which in several cases are the same.