[bayindirh]

I'm not a person who keeps grudges, or hates things in general. I just take note what companies do, and change my choices based on my observation. VAG also took a good hit after their dieselgate scandal, and not recovered much in my mind, for example. Stellantis is also not doing well, and I was considering a vehicle from them, so I'm not so sure anymore.

I don't live in a flat city, of course I'm worried and aware of my brakes all times, and know how to condition and refresh my brakes.

My problem is Tesla's service policies, like ignoring "recommended" checks on a car. Oh sorry, I can go to an independent mechanic to further spend my non-existing time, you're right.

What's more interesting is Tesla not having brake pad thickness warnings, which our old 1999 Fiat Tipo had.

Being apologetic about problems doesn't make your arguments any more sound, either.

[starbugs]

> I just take note what companies do

No. You are obviously not doing that. You take note of what the media emphasizes in an obvious press campaign that oversimplifies the actual information to a degree where it becomes borderline useless in order to reach political goals. This is not the same.

[bayindirh]

> You take note of what the media emphasizes in an obvious press campaign that oversimplifies the actual information to a degree where it becomes borderline useless in order to reach political goals.

No, I'm not doing that. To be frank, my exposure to cars, engines and related technology goes back 30+ years,. I'm not naive enough to read a single article and change my mind about Tesla, "because Elon bad, so Tesla bad".

I'm not someone who sees his car as a black box. I can diagnose, disassemble and service my car to a certain degree (and recently did that by logging weeks of data from ECU because my mechanic was not able to pinpoint the problem, and I diagnosed the problem myself). I'm also not afraid or refrain from getting my hands dirty.

If something, this article I have read is a literal drop in a bucket of things I have read only about Tesla. My information consumption about cars is increased again recently, because I'm planning to buy something new, but I'm already familiar what I might be getting under the bonnet with every choice I make.

So, you're projecting your assumptions onto me, and not only your assumptions are wrong, what you're doing is also wrong.

[starbugs]

If that's the case, then please cite reliable sources about the exact issues that occur and what Tesla did or did not do to mitigate them or let them slip.

If you'd have those, you could have posted them earlier here in the thread.

[bayindirh]

Oh, wow. Requiring proof now.

First, I don't keep bookmarks of everything I read, second I can't record conversations I've had with people owning cars I'm interested in and store them in publicly accessible places.

I understand that we will not be able to meet somewhere in the middle. Also, I'm not someone who'd leave personal opinions and experiences to appease and please someone.

So, have a nice day. Hope your cars never break down and give you infinite joy.

[starbugs]

Oh, wow - as soon as real information is required, you pull out. Didn't expect anything else.

[bayindirh]

Let's play your game, then. The URL contains a list of links I have found in my browser and YouTube history, mostly about Tesla, in 20 minutes. I especially searched for Tesla, since this is what we're talking about.

Moreover, I failed to find some of the links I wanted to add, which were more positive ones about Tesla, nonetheless (e.g.: the famous consultancy which gutted a Model S and found very good engineering alongside some rookie mistakes).

Now, this is your turn to provide me information about how I'm mislead, and what Tesla does instead. Waiting a similar links trove from you, since you claim that you're very knowledgeable about the subject matter.

https://notes.bayindirh.io/notes/Lists/Cars+and+Related+Tech...

P.S.: I knowingly left out most egregiously negative and biased ones from the list above. There were more links than I added to this trove.