[Analemma_]

Yes and no. Yes the level of discourse was always that bad, but previously the people posting at that level were Internet randos, not the President of the United States and the executives of our most important businesses.

I do wonder if these clowns appreciate the long-term consequences of shattering the mystique of business executives. It's all memey fun and games in the moment, but later on when you have to make the counterargument against "why do these people deserve their billions? why shouldn't they all go up against the wall instead?" and you try to say "Well, it's because they're so talented and brilliant; doing so would cause incredible harm to the economy without their strong guidance", it becomes much harder to do that convincingly when we can all see them behaving like toddlers in public.

[h0l0cube]

> "Well, it's because they're so talented and brilliant [...]"

It's interesting to draw comparisons between Sam Altman and Liang Wenfeng, CEO of Deepseek, the latter of which is a domain expert, the former an exalted entrepreneur, supposedly gifted in allocating capital. If Sam has just been lucky with his one bet so far, there's bound to be some market corrections that are going to shake the world just like in the dotcom burst.

[davidgerard]

Deepseek is run by a hedge fund and they are 100% in it for the money and not the culty AI doom BS, which helps a bit.

[h0l0cube]

Wenfeng built a quantitative trading company upon his search to utilize AI for financial gain. He then leveraged his earnings to take a moonshot on buying a mother lode of NVidia chips – in 2021, prior to the US export bans and the release of ChatGPT – to develop a next generation of AI. Open AI led the way, and Wenfeng was perfectly placed to learn from them and do something better, and, ironically, be more open than OpenAI. Perhaps Deepseek knew they couldn't make money by gatekeeping the model as OpenAI would quickly catch up, or perhaps it was Wenfeng's personal call to make and he just wanted the rest of the world – not just OpenAI, not just the US – to have a fighting chance before the world economy is about to be upended. Or more likely, Deepseek are holding an even more secret sauce that they are using for AI trading.

[tim333]

Dunno. In an interview:

Liang Wenfeng:... Providing cloud services isn’t our main goal. Our ultimate goal is still to achieve AGI.

[cute_boi]

idk but action speaks better than anything else.

[KerrAvon]

Well, Trump was always this, but my theory is Musk cooked his brain on various drugs during COVID lockdown and is now incapable of feeling fear.

[h0l0cube]

Both Musk and Trump have "fuck you money". That is, enough to not care about consequences and to attract leeching sycophants. At best this leads to arrested development, at worst the lack of any need for introspection or grounding reality checks by others regresses their decision making.

[rhubarbtree]

I had a saying about academic professors - if you are not regularly contradicted, you have a problem. How can you be sure you’re right about anything? You run the risk of ending up in a fantasy land.

[4ndrewl]

"I do wonder if these clowns appreciate the long-term consequences of shattering the mystique of business executives. It's all memey fun and games in the moment, but later on when you have to make the counterargument against "why do these people deserve their billions?"

I'm sure that's never crossed Putin's mind...

[morkalork]

"let them eat cake"

[firecall]

vive le rasoir national!

[toomuchtodo]

Objectively good outcome.