[mrguyorama]

>absolutely zero corruption/fraud.

The correct amount of fraud is not Zero.

Maybe the world is just too complicated for you to understand? Are you just throwing a petty tantrum? Does that really result in a better, stronger US?

[Dalewyn]

Some amount of waste is inevitable, but fraud? Hell no, fraud is unacceptable period. Fuck you for suggesting it's okay to defraud people's taxes if it's a Relatively Small Sum(tm), that attitude is part of if not the problem.

[ModernMech]

Reducing fraud yields marginal returns. Let's say you can get rid of 99% of fraud for $10M, but the remaining 1% fraud that you estimate is $2M will cost $100M to detect and prosecute, what's the optimal amount of fraud?

0% costs you ($10M + $100M) - $2M

1% costs you ($10M + $2M)

[Dalewyn]

"I don't really care, Margaret."[1]

If we end up $2 million or $100 million less to eliminate fraud that's what we have to pay. Fraud is unacceptable, period. Defrauding people's taxes is heinous, shame on you for defending it.

[1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy7rk8djJek

[ModernMech]

But I don't want to pay $10 to recoup $1. That seems wasteful. What is worse, waste or fraud? I think waste is worse, you seem to think fraud is worse. How do we decide what to do? Well... we have a process to determine how to resolve such differences, why don't we use that?

[Dalewyn]

Fraud is worse because it is both deliberate and malicious by its very nature, it is absolutely unacceptable.

The only reason you're defending fraud is because you hate Trump and Musk who are prosecuting it. Take a step back and understand what it is you're arguing for, you're throwing away even the simplest of ethics and duty to scream Orange Man and Rocket Man X are bad.

[CyberDildonics]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-f...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/opinion-firing-inspectors-general...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/trumps-firing-of-independe...

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/18/how-trumps-second-term-could...

https://www.wsj.com/finance/regulation/trump-advisers-bank-r...

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/10/trump-doj-foreign-corrupt-pr...

The person who's company committed tax fraud and is getting rid of independent watchdogs, FBI investigators, the FDIC, banking regulations and pausing enforcement of bribing officials is 'prosecuting fraud' ?

[ModernMech]

I thought the plan was to reduce the deficit/debt by reducing fraud and waste; not to eliminate 100% of fraud at the expense of the deficit/debt. You seem to be fine spending unlimited money to reduce fraud to 0, which is not what anyone else seems to want including Trump/Musk.

But I was not actually asking you to justify which is worse because the point I was making was I disagree with you — so what system do we use to resolve our differences?