[decimalenough]

AFD is indeed a far-right party and the optics of Musk supporting it are to put it mildly bizarre, but it is also one of the largest political parties in Germany, not a "Nazi organization". They advocate halting immigration, not genocide.

[walkingthisquai]

Sure, I just wanted to share some info on far-right/neo-nazi related people and orgs that Musk is linked to, as parent didn't seem to be aware.

[Diti]

Thank you for the links (you, and the person who replied to you)!

[lostlogin]

The AfD goes beyond just opposing immigration and they struggle to shake their Nazi links. Talks of deporting immigrants, getting into minimising SS culpability for Nazi crimes, use of Nazi slogans, links to convicted Nazis and banned Nazi parties.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx88nwy934go

https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/dangerous-liais...

https://www.politico.eu/article/hidden-nazi-heritage-germany...

[dzhiurgis]

So they are not really nazi and calling musk one is like 6 degrees of separation..?

[zarzavat]

As a Jew there’s no difference to me between those who knowingly repeat Nazi slogans (i.e AfD) and “real” Nazis. It’s very easy to not be a Nazi, it’s unnecessary to make excuses for those who know what they are doing.

Germans (i.e. ethnic German citizens), should be held to a higher standard, because they are educated on this, there’s no excuse.

[dzhiurgis]

IDK, but hating on certain group (i.e. AfD) sounds you are somewhat of a nazi yourself then.

AfD are huge Israel supporters (they anti-muslim tho) - https://www.timesofisrael.com/loathed-by-jews-germanys-far-r...

[zarzavat]

Israel supporter and antisemite aren't mutually exclusive[0]. In the past it was to get the Jews out of Europe (be it to Madagascar or Palestine), now it's because they hate Muslims more than Jews and see Israeli society as a template for a similar far-right Christian society.

Obviously most AfD supporters are not everyday antisemites, but they are casting their votes for antisemites. I don't care to split hairs. Germans know better and do not get to plead ignorance.

Musk could perhaps have been given the benefit of the doubt, he doesn't seem to understand European politics so it's possible he could have confused AfD as being the German equivalent of Reform UK or RN (neither of which want to be associated with AfD) ...that is until he made that salute.

[0] nor are anti-Zionist and Jew mutually exclusive for that matter. Before WWII the creation of Israel was the subject of debate within the Jewish community. The Holocaust and happenings in the Soviet Union obviously shifted that debate firmly in one direction. In some sense the Palestinians are victims of the European far-right and far-left by proxy, though I am not shifting blame.