[viceroyalbean]

I would prefer 3.5mm over Bluetooth, but keep in mind most people get their music off their phones and (almost?) no modern phones have headphone jacks. Dongles are a thing, but meh.

Additionally, modern Bluetooth devices have very little friction in my experience.

[rightbyte]

Ye. Many modern phones are *@*$ too. My wife is still bitter about not having a 3.5mm jack on hers she unknowingly bought 5 years ago. So much trouble ...

However if more than one person will use the car (incl. as passanger) the annoyance of Bluetooth is even worse.

We have a dongle in the car that is protected by a sworn oath to never be removed from the cabinet along with some charger cables.

[fouc]

It's my understanding that Bluetooth 5.1 fixes the multiple users in car issue, and it only got properly rolled out in the last couple years.

[rightbyte]

I believe it when I see it.

[pohuing]

Even our Renault scenic from a decade ago seamlessly connects to my phone when I enter it.

[rightbyte]

Multi user seem to be the major pain point. I think linked and active headphones blocks the car too.

There is just so much stuff that can make the abstraction of automation leak and you have to spend more time fixing it this one time than saved in the total lifetime of the car with a simple cable.

[masklinn]

> Dongles are a thing, but meh.

A USB to jack left fixed in the car is not much of an imposition. Even less so if it can be combined with a 12V adapter for charging.