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> "I don't see the original proposition "they will automagically understand them and enjoy them in the same way I do"" The parent comments in this thread, by wruza: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42989167 who clearly wanted to program in BASIC when on an island holiday and is imagining a Sentinelese child is the same as him and would want an "80's style OS tablet", that's the line of thinking I was talking about referencing Seymour Papert's line of thinking in the video I linked and making the same mistakes/assumptions. The part in wruza's comment "with infographic manuals" - from what I can tell the Sentinelese have no cultural background for taking instructions from a piece of paper, which we have drilled into us since kindergarten if not earlier. No lifetime of experience for interpreting infographics which we have (fire exit signs, toilet symbols, all kinds of shops and services markers). No lifetime experience using technical gadgets, which we have back through TVs and tape recorders, remote controls and so on. They have not much record of being interested in and curious about things from the outside, we geeks have been raised to be interested in new technology, most Western adults aren't even interested. And many more, the idea of a thing you touch and it lights up - we have a lifetime of electric light experience, they don't. The "line of thinking" is that they would see this thing on the beach and they would want to know what it was because I would want to know what the gadget was when I was a kid; that they would associate the laminated paper with the device, because I would; that they would interpret the marks on the paper as instructions, because I would; that they would want to follow the instructions expecting something interesting to happen, because I follow instructions; that they would successfully do it because I would keep trying until the thing I was expecting happened, despite them not knowing what to expect... etc. etc. is all steeped in "they would think like me" thinking, despite them having none of the surrounding culture and upbringing which taught us to think like we do. This is the line of thinking the video describes Seymour Papert having, which failed with OLPC. Where he assumed children learn to walk without being taught to walk, which they don't. He assumed 12 year old children could repair the OLPC without guidance or any experience working with or repairing comptuers or electronics, which they couldn't. He assumed they would want to code on the laptops and would just figure it out without guidance because "children are naturally curious" which is a Western learned behaviour since we stopped making children work in fields and up chimneys and looking after their younger siblings and instead spend years encouraging curious playful education. > "is this the same in uncontacted North Sentinel Island? Africa is still developing, NSI is undeveloped, I think that can make a big difference, yes." If giving the OLPC to Africans and Uruguayans where they know what it is, know what it's for, are expecting it, have schoolrooms, classes, writing, teachers, hired people to teach the teachers how to use the laptops, deployed electric charging points and wifi towers for them, tried to use them, and still overall the project failed to achieve its goals, how is dropping a tablet on an even less prepared people possibly going to be more successful? > "the computers had many modifications made to them to make them require fewer cultural norms, it wasn't at all "Mavis Beacon"" As per the video I linked, many of their modifications were to make them look like a pretty children's toy to appeal to Western donors, not to make them practical. |
I got my first “computer” when no advanced electronics existed in the area. The best they could get was simple fixed-eink(?) display with some buttons and a trivial “chip”. But later all the kids got nintendo or better PCs, while I got nothing due to no money and “you have a computer already”.
And that was my driver. I had no games like SMB/SF/etc and no internet. This exact combo made me learn BASIC and later 8080 assembly (sick), by the alien manuals which I had no idea how to read, cause I knew the letters but not words. But I had a dictionary. Almost no one else learned how to program a computer, despite the abundance.
You got the idea, I think.
Ofc in a real aid case this idea will be lost in translation and they’ll receive a bunch of samsung tablets, completely useless on that island.