[MisoRamen]

How does someone even clean up this mess? One of the DOGE kids may have just cloned every repo and then connect the machine to public internet because they need to fed it to an AI to figure out how things work. We can only assume the worst and that foreign adversaries may already be combing the code line by line.

What will happen when PIIs of every individual with dealings with the Treasury gets leaked?

Then there is going to be thousands of hours of meetings to review various processes...

[nicce]

> One of the DOGE kids may have just cloned every repo and then connect the machine to public internet because they need to fed it to an AI to figure out how things work.

May...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/02/06/elon-musk-d...

[nelsonic]

This is _exactly_ what overpriced management consultants would have done … the only question is which AI tools are they feeding the data to?

[jodrellblank]

> "What will happen when PIIs of every individual with dealings with the Treasury gets leaked?"

We see what happens when big companies leak personal data - almost nothing. Maybe they give you 3 months of 'credit monitoring' or 'identity theft monitoring' service, maybe they write an apology press release. We've seen how Trump presents things, he quite realistically could say either "it was Democrats weak security, we're fixing it" or "hackers must have got it, we'll clean it up" or even "fake news" and then ... do nothing, we never hear about it again and the affected people deal with it as best they can. Why would you expect more than that to happen - a newspaper writes a damning article, lawsuits are filed, the news moves on in 24 hours.

We saw how he reacted to COVID, it wasn't a world class good reaction.

[genewitch]

Boy I sure would love to hear how you'd deal with a novel virus in a country as large as the US with as many people in it. How'd China do, since they're an authoritarian regime?

When you reply, don't use the word "bleach" or "UV"

[jodrellblank]

I don't want to engage in your bad-faith trolling. Make a substantial comment. Compare Trump's response with other world leaders, other countries, and medical advisors' recommendations, and what you'd hope an ideal leader would do, leave me out of it, I'm not a part of a government's COVID response.

[genewitch]

there's only a couple of coutries that have the area/population demographics of the US. it isn't bad faith. what you're doing is conflating "The US" as just "any other country" when it isn't. we're the third or 4th largest area nation in the world.

is it because you wanted to say bleach and UV?

edit: "look what UK and denmark did!" is so completely irrelevant that it's ... not "good" faith to suggest it.

[jodrellblank]

https://doggett.house.gov/media/blog-post/timeline-trumps-co...

Click the link and imagine me asking "Was that because the US is so big? Or because the US has such a large population?" about every point. Including, but not limited to, these:

> May 2018 - The Trump Administration disbands the White House pandemic response team.

> July 2019 The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency left the post, and the Trump Administration eliminated the role.

> June 30-July 6, 2020 The U.S. has just 4% of the global population, ... and the second-highest death rate per capita.

> May 29, 2020 “We will be today terminating our relationship with the World Health Organization”

And these, imagine me asking why Trump is more concerned about the stock market, his image, finding people to blame:

> Feb. 24, 2020 “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… the Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”

> March 20, 2020 [Response to reporter’s question: "What do you say to Americans who are watching you right now who are scared?"] “I say that you're a terrible reporter, that's what I say. I think it's a very nasty question"

> July 28, 2020 "He [Fauci]'s got this high approval rating. So why don't I have a high approval rating with respect -- and the administration -- with respect to the virus?"

> Aug 19, 2020 "We’ve got all the damn cases...I want to do what Mexico does. They don’t give you a test till you get to the emergency room and you’re vomiting,”

> Sept. 10, 2020 "This is nobody's fault but China.”

and:

> May 6, 2020 The Brookings Institution reports that children were “experiencing food insecurity to an extent unprecedented in modern times” and “40.9 percent of mothers with children ages 12 and under reported household food insecurity since the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.” Republicans block proposals to expand food stamps.

Thanks Obama.

Remember when New York's morgues were overloaded[1] with 800 people dying there every day[1] and they were burying people in mass graves on Hart Island[2]? That was April 2020 when medical advisors were saying people should wear masks and Trump was announcing to the world that he was feeling good and "I think wearing a face mask as I greet presidents, prime ministers, dictators, kings, queens, I don’t know, somehow I don’t see it for myself. I just don’t." and then Trump's fanbase picked them up as "face-panties" for "wimps"? How many lives could he have saved if he just encouraged people to take it seriously and calmly and modelled that behaviour himself?

So let's start with an immediately better response: after being warned it is serious and spreads easily, stop telling the public to ignore it because it will miraculously go away over and over and over again. Tell people to distance, ventilate rooms, as the evidence becomes available

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/nyregion/coronavirus-nyc-...

[2] https://time.com/5913151/hart-island-covid/

> edit: "look what UK and denmark did!" is so completely irrelevant that it's ... not "good" faith to suggest it.

I didn't suggest it; the UK's handling of it was not good: https://www.ft.com/content/bea342f8-9289-41cb-83ae-1e97c47e3...

[genewitch]

I understand you're coming from a place of passion, here. so i'll tread lightly.

> Remember when New York's morgues were overloaded[1] with 800 people dying there every day[1]

I do remember when the public health policy in this country was to intubate people with enfeebled lungs after pumping them full of opiates. I do understand that this is homicide, at least the way i define it.

Will there ever be a reckoning? i don't know. I do know a lot of outright falsehoods were told for 2 years straight. If you'd like a detailed list i'd be glad, but I'm the kind of person that is still mad that Obama joked about killing two kids with predator drones. That Clinton bombed a [medicine factory?] That Bush... both...

If everything is a shambles because of one (or 2) people then the constitution is not worth the paper it's printed on. I bet you could fetch a nice price for that paper. I'd repeat that, but it's easy to just scan back to the beginning and read it again.

I'm not worried. These people are hype-based. I get that people are suffering but people are always suffering and i got no control over that. Me yelling at people or agreeing with people like you doesn't do anything. I guarantee if i wrote an agreement this long, no-one would read it.

HT ID;

[SV_BubbleTime]

I like how you are 100% convinced that this “a mess” and “we can only assume the worst” and that PII is compromised, etc.

What actual facts do you have for anything?

I understand why the media is mad, why NGOs, and why liberal politicians are mad, I get why foreign countries are mad.

I’m interested in fraud and abuse, regardless of who does it. So if Musk’s team finds it, great, if they get caught committing it and have to deal with that, also great.

But right now we know there is something broken. Instead of being mad about that, you are angry about hypotheticals that have not happened.

Why is that?

[Fnoord]

So, say in a few weeks, a massive fraud gets caught. Musk announces it, releases the documents. Who's to say these crooks didn't manipulate it? Same goes for achives of *.gov but those are public. So we can compare hashes independently from each other. With these private repos, we can't. Originals are getting burned. Hopefully there's solid offsite backups untouched.

[kenjackson]

Never thought of that. Any investigation from this group or this data is tainted now. Goodness.

[matwood]

Of course it’s tainted. The whole thing will be ‘trust us.’ The only source of most of what has been claimed to be ‘found’ so far is Musk’s Twitter account. Journalists cross referenced his first claims and found they were BS, so Musk will just get rid of the place people can cross reference. How this is ok with anyone, regardless of how they voted, is beyond me.

[WaxProlix]

If you read the article, you might get some insight into the comments.

[an_guy]

> might...

So you haven't found any insights regarding this?

[metadat]

For a list of concerns about events of late, please see:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43003791

Lots of really good, and as of yet, unanswered questions which shed some light on why/how Musk's claims of "waste" and his method of supposed resolution don't hold up to scrutiny.

[dkjaudyeqooe]

How does Musk find "fraud and abuse" if he doesn't have access to the whole stack of decision making?

It's not up to him to make those decisions, it's up to congress. Musk is just making up bullshit (I'm surprised he didn't say he was rooting out pedophiles) to justify his jihad against the public service.

[genewitch]

Lol congress that just had to have the Judiciary tell them they actually have to do their jobs and not let the agencies run roughshod?

OK!