[api]

Organic produce isn’t a good example because it’s a dodgy poorly defined concept and it’s not clear that it’s either better for you or better tasting.

The thing about art is this: art is a message from a human to another human.

If I want art I want it to be that. I don’t want a numerical average of all past messages, which is what LLMs and diffusion models create. I also don’t want randomness or gimmickry, which is why I dislike a lot of pretentious modern art.

[cratermoon]

I didn't want to hijack the thread too much but yeah, organic farming was not originally about better for the consumer. The origin of organic farming methods was about taking care of the land and the ecosystems in which farming happens. The end products happened to be healthier, in some cases, because of reduced usage of chemicals known to be harmful resulted in less of them in the product at retail.

[TeMPOraL]

Perhaps, but then the meaning of the word is in how it's used (something that, if more people truly understood, would cut the amount of dismissing LLMs as "bullshit machines" and "stochastic parrots" by half).

"Organic farming" may have initially been about sustainability, but the result correlated well enough with healthy food - and even more so with the naturalistic fallacy-fueled "healthy food" fad, that the latter application took over as it became a market niche. The niche being itself based more on a fallacy than reality is why "organic food" is such a bullshit fest it is - one product might be genuinely healthier, another is just worse and also ruins the land because it's sprayed with a nasty set of chemicals that are more "natural" than their strictly safer "modern" alternatives...

[cratermoon]

Marketing and greed do ruin everything they touch, yes.