[mrobot]

They put the old (55WH vs the newer 61WH) battery in the shell -- Framework you cheapos! I guess they are trying to get rid of the old, smaller batteries.

Also, word of warning just don't apply the 3.08 bios update if you have a 12th gen. I've had nothing but problems with the 3.08 bios update without real remediation from framework. Really, don't perform this upgrade without doing a thorough review of the support forums regarding the issues people are having.

There was a blog post about the BIOS update that i found here on this site, but i'm having trouble finding it for reference now. Someone had the same issue as i have where sometimes my system just won't boot (no video and error sequence) unless i remove or re-add a memory module. Not that fun.

[adgjlsfhk1]

IMO that's a smart choice. This cpu isn't made to be a daily driver. It only is in a laptop chasis to make R&D easier. No one will miss the extra 5WH

[_nalply]

Some people will put it as as small server somewhere, then this battery is like a backup power for servers but built-in. Framework even sells a small case for this sort of usage. If I had skin in that game, I would do this. For developping end-user software, just ssh in and program away!

[bravetraveler]

IIUC, the chemistry with a typical UPS battery would be much more favorable for constant power than a laptop... with probably-questionable management software to boot

I say this while truly enjoying my F13; nothing against them

[MostlyStable]

The latest firmware update included changes to how the battery management handles long-term constant power. Too soon to say how much it helps, but it at least is a thing they are addressing.

[attila-lendvai]

sometimes my Thinkpad Carbon X1 gen6 refuses to turn on until i disassemble it and disconnect the battery... about once a year.

it's rare enough to scare me for a moment each time that it has died on me...

[pjmlp]

That is what happened to my Asus 1215B netbook. Taking out the battery used to fix the boot being stuck on UEFI, until not even that last year.

It took about 4 years to die, and served me from 2009 - 2024, so still quite a long life.

[grapesodaaaaa]

I have always had issues with this on my Lenovo X1 series laptops. Why is that?

[buccal]

I had same issues with some quite new Dell XPS Carbon and Asus ROG gaming laptops. Battery disconection is first thing I do after laptop is not turning on.

Crappy BIOS/power management controller does not depend on price of the laptop or manufacturer.