[steveklabnik]

> Linus could make some of this go away by committing to let the Rust builds break.

Linus already did that. This is the state of things today. C code is allowed to break the Rust, and it's the Rust for Linux people's responsibility to get it working again, not the C folks.

[zoogeny]

I'm just an interloper and only going on the linked thread, but there are specific patches that missed merge windows due to Rust build breaks. The patches referenced are claimed to be exceptions but I can understand the fear. Linus is saying one thing but making exceptions in some cases. As Rust becomes more and more integrated into core Linux systems those exceptions may become more frequent and may eventually become the rule.

To be fair, I think another valid solution to this problem is just to bite the bullet and tell the grumpy C developers to deal with it. At some point the fallout from an exodus of grey beard Linux maintainers will actually be less than fighting this battle. As many point out, they are going to exit the project one way or another eventually.

[steveklabnik]

> The patches referenced are claimed to be exceptions

From what I understand, this is correct, or at least that is, this was a build system bug that caused accidental breakage, not a deliberate change in the policy that the kernel must be able to be built with Rust support turned off, and that that is the build that matters. Exceptional in a "rarely happens" sense and not a "deliberate choice to create an exception to a rule" sense.

[XorNot]

This entirely depends on the supposition that there are more new kernel developers who want to, and are able to, use Rust then C.

I don't think this is proven: what we have is a specific group of Rust developers, but they are there by virtue of that group existing. There are numerous more kernel contributors today who work in C, and since the greybeards are happy to keep up the work it's not like anyone else is going to easily step in to replace them (since it would be a coup not a handover, if they didn't actually want to step down).

An equally plausible future is some such Rust mandate happens, you drive off the existing C developers, then it turns out the Rust developers aren't actually numerous enough or committed enough (or even good enough at long term project social management) to keep the project going and it dies (or forks into CLinux or something).

Linux itself was a "hobby project" which ultimately succeeded because it did the work which needed to be done, while everyone else was still completely sure the microkernels were the way of the future.