[csmattryder]

> I thought we were making progress in the anti-surveillance privacy na[rra]tive

What lead to to believe that? The Conservatives and Conservative-Continuity governments both agree that our data simply must be in the hands of the police, DEFRA, and your local council.

RIPA will never be repealed and only strengthened.

[snapcaster]

I don't disagree with your analysis but i wouldn't be so fatalistic. This stuff _isn't_ inevitable and i think it's possible to win people over to our side. Things can change for the better, but they won't unless people who care don't give up

[csmattryder]

Ahh, I used to have that opinion, but I've encountered too many "It's fine if they want it, I've got nothing to hide" people. (They never give you their Facebook password if you ask, though. Funny, that.)

Change what you can, I say, VPN on the network device.

[dijksterhuis]

focus on the John Oliver dick pic argument.

https://www.wired.com/2015/04/john-oliver-edward-snowden-dic...

> When Oliver shows Snowden evidence that all typical Americans care about is whether the government can see our "dick pics," he encourages Snowden to go through a list of every government surveillance program and explain its capabilities in terms of access to "dick pics."

[chupasaurus]

One of my all-time favorites: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41595924

[hyperdimension]

I favorites this comment a while ago:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40228359

[snapcaster]

Yeah totally see your point, i'm just not ready to give up yet