[cpymchn]

What's new here?

As mentioned in the article, Salt Typhoon and the recency of this request by the UK. At this point they should know better.

My pet theory is anytime the US wants to do something illegal under US law, they simply ask the UK to do it and vice versa. That's why Salt Typhoon isn't and never will be a lesson learned.

[cpymchn]

I recommend Susan Landau as the goto person on this. She recently spoke with Lawfare on the current state of play.

[1] Susan Landau and Alan Rozenshtein Debate End-to-End Encryption (Again!) https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/lawfare-daily--susan-la...!)

[layer8]

Working link: https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/lawfare-daily--susan-la...

[EdwardCoffin]

Formatting in link is broken. This is a direct link to the youtube version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWBFXiOcR88

[banku_brougham]

It's not a pet theory, it's exactly how the Five-Eyes system is meant to work. I remember when Total Information Awareness was announced and they even had a cool badge designed for the new govt department. It wasn't a popular idea.

[jer0me]

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IAO-logo.png

[lern_too_spel]

It is a pet theory. It is illegal for the US to access its citizens' and residents' data without a warrant, and asking somebody else to do it doesn't magically make it legal.

[ok_dad]

It’s illegal but they do it anyways. Recall there was a man named Snowden who revealed the NSA does collect USA citizens’ data.

[isaacremuant]

It's not a pet theory when there's proof they have engaged in it through five eyes. We're not saying it respects the constitution or its intent. We're saying it's what happens.

Black CIA sites weren't legal either, nor was torture.

[lern_too_spel]

> It's not a pet theory when there's proof they have engaged in it through five eyes

What proof? You would think after all the leaks there have been, some proof would exist. Instead, you cling to a conspiracy theory based on a misunderstanding of an agreement.

[isaacremuant]

The fact that you immediately went for "conspiracy theory" discredits you more than you think it discredits me.

They're all conspiracy theorists when the government is accused of wrongdoing and the "proof" demands and moving goalposts happen all the time. Helped by the lack of transparency and all encompassing powers of agencies and governments.

Your arguments boil down to repeating narratives and things like "X is illegal so it doesn't happen" which just shows how naivety is part of your bad argument repertoire. I'm sure black CIA sites and coup d'etats didn't happen if I can't prove them to your liking... And if I somehow satisfied you, there's some justification that make them lawful and correct.

Give me a break.

[lern_too_spel]

The fact that you fixated on "conspiracy theory" means you don't know what the term means. It means that a large group of people must be working together to make something happen, yet none of them have said anything.

If the Five Eyes participants worked as you have stated instead of as the leaked agreement documents say they work, you would expect Snowden to leak that first because it is obviously illegal. He did not. Why not reduce the number of people required to keep quiet in the conspiracy by having the US spy directly on its citizens? Every question you might ask about your conspiracy theory makes it sound even more ridiculous if you bother to ask it.

[cess11]

Why would they "access [their] data", instead of a report from a foreign intelligence agency?

[eptcyka]

It is actually Australia where the US goes to test out far-out legislative ideas before implementing them at home.

[y-curious]

Australia does a great job of enacting wacky authoritarian policies in the last 5 years; It would make sense to use them as a staging ground. Does any specific legislation come to mind?

[fukawi2]

Social media ban for under 16s is the latest half witted idea enacted by the government here.

[throwawaythekey]

This week we've had the federal laws strengthend to a one year minimum jail time for nazi salutes. I think saying "punch a nazi" unironically could now also get you a year in jail, but I'm not sure about that one.

[Juliate]

Oh, you feel the need to defend nazis?

[throwawaythekey]

No, the neo-nazis can defend themselves. I just support personal freedoms.

[alt227]

Banning Social Media for under 16s is a great idea. Hopefully other countries follow soon.

[throwaway290]

Any specific whacky examples?

[MileyCyrax]

Something like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_Australia...

[throwaway290]

I started reading and it talks about something where a warrant and a case are required to request interception on each case. Is that whacky? You don't think it helps you know fight crime and stuff? Or you have an actual specific example?

[thewebguyd]

It's exactly how the five-eyes information sharing works.

Participants spy on each other's citizens on the other's behalf and share data, to avoid the legality of doing so to their own citizens.

[sitkack]

That is exactly what this is.