[littlestymaar]

This whole operation is as related to finding corruption exhibits as the Moscow trials were to finding traitors in the Red Army.

It is a (ridiculous) pretext for purging the system from people that the new power deems “uncooperative”.

[ty6853]

It is hard for me to imagine any entrenched civil service being cooperative with plans to shit can their jobs. So I'm not sure that means much. Almost by human nature, most people are uncooperative ( and deemed such ) with plans to end their dental plan and rent money.

[littlestymaar]

In democratic countries, civil servants aren't supposed to be changed after each elections, while they have their individual opinions they know their duty and follow the orders that come from the political power (and should they not obey to the order from above, there are disciplinary sanctions that can be leveraged against them).

And it's not some theoretical idea, in all Western democracies, every civil servant that has been in place for long enough has seen governments from multiple political sides. That's how it works.

Using illegal means to purge the institutions from undesired people is not something that happens in a democracy, this is unprecedented in the West since Gleichschaltung.

[leovingi]

>while they have their individual opinions they know their duty and follow the orders that come from the political power

Have you forgotten Trump's first presidential term? The resistance [1], the gleeful celebration of the "deep state" fighting back against Trump [2], a US general calling his Chinese counterparts before the 2020 election [3]?

Bureaucrats cannot fight against a democratically elected executive, call themselves the resistance and then be surprised when they are treated as the resistance.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/02/opinion/trump-fauci-deep-...

[3] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-top-general-secretly-cal...

[littlestymaar]

I shouldn't have to mention it, but refusing to listen to illegal orders is obviously part of a civil servant's duty.

In a democracy, a civil servant must respect the law even if it goes against orders. When all you have civil servants who respect their boss's orders even when it goes against the law, you have left the domain of democracy.

[asdffdasy]

if you actualy read past the thongue in cheek titles, you would realize the insanity of your argument.

for example, you are defending firing workers for: “People are just going to have to accept the results,” he told The Washington Post. “I’m a Republican. I believe in fair and secure elections.”

...some dangerous deep state, indeed.

[krapp]

Yeah, I mean Musk has literally tweeted that DOGE is "dismantling the radical-left shadow government."[0] This is not about efficiency or rooting out corruption, it's about persecuting political enemies and purging wrongthink.

Which was something people here screamed bloody murder about when they accused Biden of doing it, just by asking Twitter to moderate content, but I guess this is all fine now.

[0]https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1886840365329608708

[dylan604]

> just by asking Twitter to moderate content, but I guess this is all fine now.

It's never wrong when it's something you agree with, and that's as far as Musk's belief in free speech goes. Allowing posts he agrees with, it's free speech. If it's something that sheds bad light on something he is, owns, or believes, it's bad and must be stopped. It's a classic as old as time