[tmerse]

Trump won his first term in 2016 because Americans were fed up with the Bush+Obama status quo of endless wars and wast

Does this include threatening Greenland with military action or does it not count as war if there is little resistance to be expected?

[matwood]

Or now Gaza. I guess they don’t count trade wars. Dalewyn could have his family deported and still think Trump is doing the right thing. I gave up responding.

[Dalewyn]

As Trump said when an interviewer asked him about Ukraine: "I want people to stop dying." I think most Americans share that sentiment with regards to war, so no, trade wars don't count.

It's objective fact that Trump did not start a single war during his first term (he only inherited wars from his predecessors), his successor Biden immediately went back to starting wars. Americans will not tolerate declarations of war or otherwise military actions on Denmark/Greenland or Panama, we voted for him in large part because he is the first President in a long time who hates wars.

No. More. Wars. This is non-negotiable. Every single warmonger and the military industrial complex can go fuck themselves.

However, if we can get Greenland and the Panama Canal amicably through business/diplomacy then, as an American, why not?

>Dalewyn could have his family deported

If we're here illegally then fuck yeah Trump is doing the right thing; he's just enforcing the law as written. I thought we were all about rule of law?

[agumonkey]

> However, if we can get Greenland and the Panama Canal amicably through business/diplomacy then, as an American, why not?

was there anything amicable about his recent claims about greenland ?

How do you reconcile having a leader suggesting curing covid with bleach to know how to make government efficients ? Musk couldn't turn twitter back as far as we know either..

[lostdog]

You seem to be very confused, among other things, about who started the Ukraine war and why. Gonna guess you probably think Obama started the Iraq war and probably the Civil War and WWII as well.

[pjc50]

He doesn't care, he wants Ukraine to surrender so they can die quietly.

[ben_w]

> It's objective fact that Trump did not start a single war during his first term (he only inherited wars from his predecessors), his successor Biden immediately went back to starting wars.

What war?

Seriously, what war?

I've tried searching for what wars, and found that the only ones started by the US this century were by Bush Jr.; neither Obama nor Biden went to war.

Do you mean the war Russia started by invading Ukraine? The ongoing conflict between Israel and various but changing subsets of their neighbours? Because these were not started by the US, they are outside the control of the US.

> No. More. Wars. This is non-negotiable. Every single warmonger and the military industrial complex can go fuck themselves.

> However, if we can get Greenland and the Panama Canal amicably through business/diplomacy then, as an American, why not?

He refused, when asked, to rule out using military force.

[michtzik]

FYI, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_Uni... lists the following since Obama's inauguration:

Operation Ocean Shield (2009–2016), International intervention in Libya (2011), Operation Observant Compass (2011–2017), US military intervention in Niger (2013–2024), US-led intervention in Iraq (2014–2021), US intervention in the Syrian civil war (2014–present), US intervention in Libya (2015–2019), Operation Prosperity Guardian (2023–present), Israel–Hamas war (2024–present).

[ben_w]

> Israel–Hamas war (2024–present).

As I said, not started by the US.

This seems to apply in general to that list, e.g. Prosperity Guardian is not even a war, and crucially it is a response to Houthi-led attacks on shipping in the Red Sea so the US also didn't start it. (Which can be described as an escalation that was itself caused by US economic support of Israel, but that kind of geopolitical implications are a never-ending rabbit hole even with 50 years of hindsight that I don't get to benefit from).

Their (and Canada's, Germany's) reason for picking sides in the Syrian civil war is completely opaque from the perspective of normal people like me (if I count as 'normal'…), but again, they didn't start it: civil war.

etc.

[michtzik]

You said

> neither Obama nor Biden went to war.

I believe this is false.

[matwood]

> if we can get Greenland and the Panama Canal amicably through business/diplomacy then

This is a joke right? I'm not sure 'amicably' means holding a gun to someone's head to get them to do what you want them to do. Trump stated he would use force if necessary.

> No. More. Wars.

Biden also didn't start any wars. Trump is talking about annexing Gaza, and he continues to talk about war with Iran. Trumps aggression is how wars start because it puts everyone on edge.

When Trump starts a war, which seems inevitable unless his advisors get some control, will you then admit it was dumb to vote for Trump? I'm sure you'll explain it away somehow as #winning.

> I thought we were all about rule of law?

I just assume you're trolling at this point. Trump just pardoned people who beat up law enforcement. He also talks about deporting people he simply doesn't like. He's farther from the rule of law than any POTUS in history.

[spacechild1]

> his successor Biden immediately went back to starting wars

Congratulations, seems like you have fully bought into MAGA propaganda.

[dragonwriter]

> It's objective fact that Trump did not start a single war during his first term

No, its not. He certainly engaged in an armed conflict with Iran which was not an active conflict before his term.

> his successor Biden immediately went back to starting wars.

No, he didn't.

> No. More. Wars.

Since election, Trump has threatened war in or with Mexico, Denmark, and Panama, as well as the US actively completing the genocide Israel has started in Gaza. “No. More. Wars." Is very clearly not his priority.