[arrosenberg]

> nope, border encounters have dropped significantly after Trump took office.

Ok propaganda. CBP doesn't have numbers for January posted, so you have no idea what is actually happening.

> To your last points, I won't address because you throw up unsubstantiated accusations that has become the Leftist party line. There's no discussion to be had here.

Oh please, by all means, substantiate your last point. Ya'll are going to get exposed the next four years for being such feckless dorks.

[theonething]

> Ok propaganda. CBP doesn't have numbers for January posted, so you have no idea what is actually happening.

wrong. From the border chief:

"In the past seven days, U.S. Border Patrol agents apprehended 4,577 individuals attempting to enter the country illegally, a significant 55% decrease from the previous week’s 10,281 apprehensions. This trend indicates that our enhanced border security measures produce results. With more boots on the ground, we’re making a substantial impact to the security of our borders."

https://x.com/USBPChief/status/1884723200048693297

Yes, we'll see in four years. I look forward to it!

[arrosenberg]

They put more boots on the ground and apprehended fewer people? Sounds like Mexicans are doing their work for them again...

[theonething]

> Ok propaganda. CBP doesn't have numbers for January posted, so you have no idea what is actually happening.

the above is what you claimed and are undeniably wrong about.

You can't admit error because you don't operate in truth, just emotions. When confronted with truth, you twist it to fit your narrative as you're doing here.

And the quality of the words (or lack thereof) that you choose to use e.g. feckless, dork, anti-social losers, weird, loathe reflects on you and your character and state of mind more than anything else. Here they are categorized as ad hominem attacks and are not looked upon highly because the kind of people who use them lack substantial arguments and thus resort to these low effort personal attacks.

[arrosenberg]

> You can't admit error because you don't operate in truth, just emotions.

I went to the CBP website and you went to twitter (which I don't use because I'm not a drone). Where on the emotion wheel is "CBP website"? https://medium.com/@mcgill_dr/emotions-and-feelings-charts-d...

You've spent the entire thread making unsubstantiated claims about trans people based on right wing propaganda. Practicing ad hominem attacks downthread is all you are good for, why would I waste actual effort on you?

[theonething]

> I went to the CBP website and you went to twitter

I went to Google and the twitter post from the official account of the CBP chief came up in search results. You claimed that reports from January from CBP weren't posted so I "have no idea what is actually happening.". You are wrong. Based on numbers from the CBP chief himself, I do have an idea of what is happening.

You also posited "More likely is that Trump destablised the west and caused a net increase in illegal migration attempts." when actually, based on the CBP numbers, the opposite has happened under Trump's leadership.

> You've spent the entire thread making unsubstantiated claims about trans people based on right wing propaganda

If you you actually go through this thread again, you'll see I mostly discussed tariffs and immigration. Out of this entire thread, I've written one phrase about the transgender issue:

> "allowing biological men to destroy women in sports, not being willing to define what a woman is"

And both of those claims have been well documented. They are facts, not propaganda. E.g. high school volleyball play Payton McNabb who sustained life long head injuries when a trans gender player spiked a ball in her face. E.g. at Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson's confirmation hearing she was asked if she could define what a woman is and her reply was "I can't --".

Again, you are not operating in truth.

> ad hominem attacks downthread is all you are good for, why would I waste actual effort on you?

You are part of the "smug left"[0]. It's no wonder Joe Klein says this about the Democratic party ""The intellectual corrosion is comprehensive; it is only matched by the self-righteous arrogance.". I'm not sure about the first part, I avoid calling people stupid, but the latter point about the arrogance of the left is spot on.

[0] https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberal...

[tombert]

I don't really want to comment on most of this post, but I want to address your final point:

> You are part of the "smug left"[0]. It's no wonder Joe Klein says this about the Democratic party ""The intellectual corrosion is comprehensive; it is only matched by the self-righteous arrogance.". I'm not sure about the first part, I avoid calling people stupid, but the latter point about the arrogance of the left is spot on.

Where the fuck did conservatives get the idea that they can say whatever they want and people will always be nice to them? The "smug left" stuff comes from the fact conservatives will hitch their wagon to so much stuff that is, in so far that this can be objective, very stupid.

For example, when I was a teenager, Conservatives were really trying to push for Creationism being pushed in schools. Creationism has no scientific basis, it has no business in a science classroom, it's based on an extremely stupid set of books, and yet this is the hill Conservatives wanted to die on.

Sometimes I decide to push back, even politely, but frankly it's exhausting. Creationists are just wrong, how many times should I be expected to have the same polite argument when they clearly have very little desire to actually learn anything?

This might come off as "smug", that's fine. I'm ok with being considered "smug". If you're really making your political decisions based on how polite some people are to you, then that's a lot more telling of you than me.

[olleromam91]

I appreciate your willingness to engage. I've lost the willpower to believe I can do anything to lift the veil. They are too scared...imagine the sheer panic of your belief system being challenged, when you've already got an insecure and victim mindset that MAGA has exploited.

I almost want to just hold their hands as they tremble through widening their overton window.

[arrosenberg]

Don't try and lift the veil. Point out the veil is stupid looking and people who wear it are dorks. We don't need MAGA people to agree with me, we need the apathetic non-voters of this country to see them for the weird, anti-social losers that they are, and loathe them for it.

[theonething]

> I almost want to just hold their hands

lol... give me a break. No thanks!

Not panicking or trembling at all. Quite content actually.

[olleromam91]

You clearly did not understand my comment... Overton window still the same fit. shrug