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Some common definitions of the west are white people, western European countries and their former colonies, and the US and their allies. Many such countries are democratic currently. None are democratic innately.

Immigrants and white people are unrelated categories.

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>Many such countries are democratic currently. None are democratic innately.

Okay, so your argument is that "the west" can only mean something "innate"?

>Some common definitions of the west are white people

Well hold on. I thought "the west" could only mean something "innate"? What makes makes the US "innately" white? The US is 30% non-white, after all.

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> Okay, so your argument is that "the west" can only mean something "innate"?

Karp said the west is innately superior. JumpCrisscross suggested this was acceptable because democracies are innately superior to autocracies. But western countries are not innately democratic. And democracy is not innately western. Superiority is not innate if its basis is not innate.

> What makes makes the US "innately" white?

People who define the west as white people do not consider all Americans part of the west. And I said it was a common definition. Not good.