[anothercoup]

> The west is a culture not a race.

It can be both depending on the context. A westerner is a european or a european descended person.

> For example many Asian people are more western than many white Americans.

What does this even mean? How can an asian person be more western than a white american. That's like saying a white american be more "eastern" than a chinese person.

I've never heard an asian person say they are a westerner. There may be asian people who appreciate western culture more than some westerners, but that doesn't make them a westerner. No more than a white american who appreciates chinese culture more than the average chinese makes him a chinese person.

Or are we talking about different things here?

[lxgr]

Would you really not consider e.g. adoptive children to be part of the culture of their adoptive parents?

> How can an asian person be more western than a white american.

Very easily, since one is an ethnicity, while the other is a nationality/culture.

[anothercoup]

> Would you really not consider e.g. adoptive children to be part of the culture of their adoptive parents?

Sure. But culture isn't "innate". But being a westerner is innate. I could learn chinese, but that doesn't make me a chinese person. A chinese person could learn english but he is still "innately" chinese.

> Very easily, since one is an ethnicity, while the other is a nationality/culture.

I already acknowledged that. My point is what do you mean by a western person or a westerner. Anyone can partake in a culture. You can eat chinese food or indian food but that doesn't make you a chinese person or an indian person.

Am I wrong here. Or is the term "west/westerner" used differently around the world.

[jjk7]

Would a child of European descent born and raised in China be a 'westerner' in your eyes? What about a second generation child, still fully ethnically European?

[anothercoup]

> Would a child of European descent born and raised in China be a 'westerner' in your eyes?

Not just to my eyes. To chinese eyes, african eyes, middle eastern eyes, etc. There have been tiktoks and youtube videos of westerners born in china who were called foreigners by the chinese themselves.

> What about a second generation child, still fully ethnically European?

Elon Musk was born in south africa, a non-western country in a non-western continent. Charlize Theron was born in south africa. They are both westerners. Doesn't matter where you were born.

The european person born in china can become a chinese citizen. But he can never become "chinese". Just like a chinese person can never become a european/westerner. He can become a EU citizen. He can become an american citizen. But he can't become a westerner. Am I wrong here?