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by STRML 492 days ago
Arguably, especially in the 8/10/11 era, few of these features are things that meaningfully enhance the user experience. Incredibly, we're still running NTFS and dealing with hacks on hacks on hacks. In the 8 era, a huge number of massive projects were started, promoted, and mothballed.
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Arainach 492 days ago
You say "still" as if NTFS hasn't evolved in that time. It still has a far more capable permissions model than any Linux filesystem.

Raymond called it 21 years ago: when you change the insides, no one notices. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040525-00/?p=39...

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M95D 491 days ago
> It still has a far more capable permissions model than any Linux filesystem.

And every time I format a new NTFS, the first thing I do before puting any files on it is set the drive root permissions Everyone = Full control + Replace child permissions with inheritable permissions.

Because I absolutely hate being denied access to my own files.

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Arainach 491 days ago
That is absolute madness. I assume you also recursively chmod 777 everything on your Linux systems?

It's incredibly valuable to not allow anything which runs on your machine to immediately read and write anything, even on a single user system.

You can change permissions later...

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gruez 492 days ago
>Incredibly, we're still running NTFS

So? Linux is still mostly on ext4, and even though there's theoretically zfs/btrfs, most people are still using ext4. Debian installer still only supports ext4. ext4 might be "newer" than NTFS (2006 vs 1993), but that's a purely naming thing. If you map ext2 and ext3 as NTFS versions[1], they have similar age. Moreover from a feature set perspective they're mostly equivalent. Both support journaling and various features like sparse files and resource forks.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS#History

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Cumpiler69 492 days ago
>Incredibly, we're still running NTFS and dealing with hacks on hacks on hacks.

It's the painful cost of maintaining backwards compatibility.

For context, I can still install and use Winamp 2.5 from 1999 on Windows 11. That's over 25 years of backwards compatibility. Not something most people need on a daily basis but still very cool.

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cosmotic 492 days ago
Even more impressive: binary backward compatibility
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