[batrat]

I stopped reading when he uninstalled defender. Is the best thing ms did to windows! OP is like the 90% of linux users: if it doesn't do what he wants him to do, it sucks. Like you said most users don't care about TMP, they also don't care about who is protecting them, what interface it is, how printers work, how office works, how browsers work. This is why windows is/was successful, you start it, open outlook, mail, browser, print, play games, etc. Without ever thinking why it works. Does windows suck? Probably, but it does the job and is enough for 99% of the home users. Also if someone wants to personalize windows check reddit, you can change almost everything.

[hulitu]

> This is why windows is/was successful, you start it, open outlook, mail, browser, print, play games, etc. Without ever thinking why it works.

You're right. I don't think "why it works". I ask myself "why it doesn't work ?". Why suddenly am i not able to tell which element is a label or a button in the UI ? Why is the scrollbar so tiny and hidden, with no possibility (Win95) to make it bigger ? Why, to resize the active window with the mouse, i have to hunt for this 1px border on my HD monitor (you can have any window border in Win95).

Oh, and Edge, new Outlook (you forgot Teams) - truly marvels of engineering. For some reasons an _-'"€€_*€ from MS had the great idea to hide old emails. Who needs access to old emails when the customer comes screeming.

[xx_ns]

> if it doesn't do what he wants him to do, it sucks

Well... yeah? The computer is a tool. If my tool doesn't do what I want it to do, or, by extension, it does things I didn't ask for or need, then it does suck. If my tool suddenly told me that my toolbox needs another, arbitrary tool Y that I don't need (in this case, TPM), then I will look for another brand.

The fact that "most users" are ignorant doesn't mean that the users who aren't ignorant should be punished. "Most users" are capable of doing the things you listed perfectly fine on other operating systems, like macOS or the various user-friendly Linux distributions, without being treated with hostility by the OS. The argument "it does the job" doesn't really hold water - the entire IT support industry is built on Windows not doing the job when the user doesn't know "why it works" as you put it.

[jodrellblank]

> "Also, security, as we see every day, is all about backend infrastructure, like telcos not getting hax0red, amirite, and not about home users. After all, in my three decades of computing, 100% of harm to my "computing estate" came from companies being lax with their data in their "clouds", not from any movie-like hax0rology on my local systems."

Does the author not remember the days when connecting an unpatched Windows system to the internet got it hax0red in minutes? And how those hax0red Windows systems were a pain for the rest of us, being spam and DDoS sources and worse? And that Microsoft fixed it? And the author doesn't want to pay taxes for roads because they don't benefit from roads because they walk to the shops? Because they are a free thining independent Linux user who doesn't understand that the shop employees drive to work and the shop stock is driven to the shop.

[reginald78]

I don't follow. They didn't fix it by installing ads in the start menu, making the command prompt take 4 second to load or constantly moving all the settings around. The fixed those things with security patches, which back then weren't even force bundled with packs of crappy features.

[hulitu]

> And that Microsoft fixed it?

By becoming itself spyware.

And fixed it... Croudstrike, updates who won't install, ransomware, it even clicks on your links.

[jodrellblank]

None of that is related to anything I said.

[ryandrake]

> Well... yeah? The computer is a tool. If my tool doesn't do what I want it to do, or, by extension, it does things I didn't ask for or need, then it does suck.

Exactly. We have strayed so far from the original path of the PC being owned by and serving its USER. Doing what the USER wants it to do. Running what the USER wants running. Upgrading when the USER wants to upgrade. I don't want my operating system to what Microsoft wants it to do, or what Apple wants it to do, or, to be fair, what Canonical wants it to do. I want it to do what I want it to do. The fact that this has become a weird "power user" point of view is scary.

[hulitu]

> I stopped reading when he uninstalled defender. Is the best thing ms did to windows!

Yes, if you are a new user, yes. If you happen to have some old programs around - tough luck.