[scarface_74]

People aren’t opposing it. The legislation is letting Trump usurp their power. This is something that old school Republicans wouldn’t have let happen. But the Republican Party has been taking over by Trump.

Also, why would the majority oppose it? What he is doing is affecting illegal immigrants (who can’t vote), the poorest people who those just one level up think they are “only temporarily poor”, minorities, trans - you notice that he only removed the T from LGBT while he is taking down “wokeness”.

You also have to remember he has the evangelical Christian block in his pocket who literally believe he was sent by God to keep America from descending in hell fire. You can’t “reason” with devout religious people. Religion requires you to ignore logic and science (born and raised in the Bible Belt).

You notice he isn’t disrupting farmers in red states with immigration raids? Also because of gerrymandering and how the Senate is designed. The low population red states have much more power than their population calls for.

[locopati]

"you notice that he only removed the T from LGBT"

for now... it won't stop there

[scarface_74]

The Log Cabin Republicans serve as their shield that “they aren’t homophobic” just like they trot out Tim Scott as their token Black to show they aren’t racist. As a Black person, there is no way in the world I would be put on stage to shuck and jive for the modern Republican Party even if I did agree with some of their policies before 2016.

Besides plenty of Christians have had to come to terms with the fact that at least one person they care about is gay. Many fewer have someone they care about that is trans.

[stogot]

> You also have to remember he has the evangelical Christian block in his pocket who literally believe he was sent by God to keep America from descending in hell fire. You can’t “reason” with devout religious people.

No not true. only a few people believe that. Most do not. Stop grouping religious people into the few who interview on tv.

> Religion requires you to ignore logic and science (born and raised in the Bible Belt).

Also wildly not true and you’re extending an experience you had to a whole population, which is a biased opinion.

Many of us use science and logic daily, in conversations, and there are well received physicists who argue for an existence of a God using logic. The Bible says to use both wisdom and knowledge (logic and science).

[monkeyfun]

Absolutely have to disagree on both counts. However, since you do at least sound reasonable, I'll prefer to just focus on the first claim, as we'd otherwise easily spend hours just debating basic philosophy in circles, and arguing about what even counts as valid logic.

We're already just engaging in anecdotes, but having lived all around the south from virginia to texas, I've found that almost "god-king" belief extremely common in southern baptists in particular and christians in general -- especially if you done it down ever so slightly to: "Trump has God's favor, he was probably sent by God to save our country, which is God's favorite on Earth". I have, however, little experience with the north or the west -- almost only the traditional US south.

So, my questions for you would have to be, do you live in the south or elsewhere? Also, what would your analysis be in general about such people? (Regardless of if they are many or few)

[scarface_74]

> No not true. only a few people believe that. Most do not. Stop grouping religious people into the few who interview on tv.

60-72% of White Christians voted for Trump.

> Many of us use science and logic daily, in conversations, and there are well received physicists who argue for an existence of a God using logic. The Bible says to use both wisdom and knowledge (logic and science).

Context: you’re replying to someone who spent his entire elementary school education in a private Christian school and even through the first year of high school was part of a “leadership group” going to Bible bowls.

So tell me one line in Genesis or Exodus that makes sense scientifically? Do you think humans ever lived to be 900 years old? The Jews ever being in Egypt has never been backed up by any historical record. Do you believe any of the miracles have a scientific basis? Do you believe in creation or evolution? Noah’s ark?

Now let’s go to the New Testament. Do you believe that Jesus was born to a virgin? He arose from the dead?

You can not believe anything that the Bible said happened and be science based.

I’m not pasting the following link to “prove” anything. It is a better summation of my opinion that is better written than I would do

https://www.ineos.com/inch-magazine/articles/issue-7/debate/

[mafuy]

There does not exist a proper argument for the existence of God that does not require use of "God is above logic".

I'll believe that many Christians do not see Trump as savior, though. Following true Christian values in these times is a great idea.

[scarface_74]

“True Christian values” don’t jibe with voting for the modern national Republican Party.

Pence was probably the most “Christian” of the Republican candidates last year and he had the fewest votes.

None of the prior Republican candidates for President would have stood a chance in todays environment.

[normalaccess]

Pence is a "Dominionist" and wants to reinstate a theocracy. Last time we tried that was called the Dark Ages and we tortured people and burned them at the stake.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/01/30/a-theology-of-power-...

[scarface_74]

And at least that jibes with Christianity. I’m not saying I agree with it.

[jrs235]

As a proclaimed Christian, I agree. Never have I ever voted for fewer Republicans than in the last election.

[jrs235]

>I'll believe that many Christians do not see Trump as savior, though.

As a Christian that is certainly concerned about Christians supporting and voting for Trump, sadly I think many do (see him as a Savior and one who can do no wrong) but don't realize it. They excuse excuse excuse. What I see happening is history repeating itself. The Isrealites pleaded for a strong man king like the other countries even though God said they didn't need one as long as they lived by "following true Christian values". They still wanted one so God let them have one. Saul, being an insecure man, began oppressing them shortly after getting the throne.

[scarface_74]

You really don’t think they realize it? These are the same “Christians” in the 60s who supported Jim Crow.

Bob Jones University didn’t end the interracial dating ban until 2000.

https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/library/national...

The entire Christian Organization is corrupt. From the wide support of Trump by its leaders from the national and local level to systematic covering of child abuse in the Catholic Church.

If the abuses in the Catholic Church had happened anywhere else it would have come under RICO charges

[jrs235]

I suppose many of them think God needs them to speed things up and usher in the antichrist. They certainly are letting their hearts turn cold. I wonder if they realize that they are the ones disobeying Jesus' commands to love others, our neighbors and our enemenies. To take care of the poor and those in need. To give the coat off our backs if asked. To offer the other cheek if struck. "Depart from me, I never knew you."...